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Old March 6th 04, 02:41 AM
Sam Byrams
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Default Russian Optics on FP Hasselblad Bodies

Any experience here?
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Old March 6th 04, 03:11 AM
Bob Monaghan
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Lots of folks have done so, esp. for telephotos (180mm f/2.8 sonnar) and
30mm fisheye, also 45mm shift Kiev lenses etc.

see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/hassy.html postings on conversions (near top
etc.) also mf/kievlens.html on the lens options etc.

many of us are hoping Arax etc. will wake up to this major market, even at
a substantial markup (in their terms, not Hasselblad's ;-) of creating
kiev 6x6cm lenses in hasselblad mount. They might also consider a
hasselblad mount body, esp. one that could take hassy flash synch shutter
lenses (closing a hole in the kiev capabilities there too), making it even
more attractive for budget buyers to start with their modified setups.

IIRC, there are already mamiya 645 lens series (auto), and Kiev/USA was
making Kiev lenses in hassy F mounts (non-auto) for a substantial
conversion fee (still under $1k for each lens including the lens cost ;-)
This is pricey, as many others on that URL site report conversion costs
more like $200-300, making the lenses more like $500 after conversion.

As it is now, you can use any of the plain, metering TTL and spot metering
TTL prisms on hassy, also some kiev hassy backs (including polaroid), and
so on. The lens mount is the only thing left ;-)

hth bobm
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Old March 7th 04, 02:51 AM
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Default Russian Optics on FP Hasselblad Bodies

What about the opposite conversion. Retro-fitting a Hassy 1600F with a P6
mount?

Bob Monaghan wrote:

Lots of folks have done so, esp. for telephotos (180mm f/2.8 sonnar) and
30mm fisheye, also 45mm shift Kiev lenses etc.

see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/hassy.html postings on conversions (near top
etc.) also mf/kievlens.html on the lens options etc.

many of us are hoping Arax etc. will wake up to this major market, even at
a substantial markup (in their terms, not Hasselblad's ;-) of creating
kiev 6x6cm lenses in hasselblad mount. They might also consider a
hasselblad mount body, esp. one that could take hassy flash synch shutter
lenses (closing a hole in the kiev capabilities there too), making it even
more attractive for budget buyers to start with their modified setups.

IIRC, there are already mamiya 645 lens series (auto), and Kiev/USA was
making Kiev lenses in hassy F mounts (non-auto) for a substantial
conversion fee (still under $1k for each lens including the lens cost ;-)
This is pricey, as many others on that URL site report conversion costs
more like $200-300, making the lenses more like $500 after conversion.

As it is now, you can use any of the plain, metering TTL and spot metering
TTL prisms on hassy, also some kiev hassy backs (including polaroid), and
so on. The lens mount is the only thing left ;-)

hth bobm
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Old March 7th 04, 09:50 PM
Lassi Hippeläinen
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Default Russian Optics on FP Hasselblad Bodies

wrote:

What about the opposite conversion. Retro-fitting a Hassy 1600F with a P6 mount?


No go. You wouldn't be able to focus it to infitity. P6 has the shortest
lens registration distance of MF SLR systems (which probably explains
why the viewfinder image is so undersized - there isn't enough room for
a full-size mirror).
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mounts.htm
says:

Hasselblad/Kiev88 multi start thread 82.10
Hasselblad 500/2000 bayonet 74.90
Pentacon 6 breech lock 74.10

With newer Hassies only 0.8mm = 1/32" of metal to grind away. That just
might be feasible, if you can solve the shutter problem.

-- Lassi
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Old March 9th 04, 03:12 AM
Bob Monaghan
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the real "problem", if you can call it that, is that P6 mount cameras like
Kiev-60 are soooo cheap (circa $150 with the 80mm arsat lens and TTL
metering prism plus case and filters etc.) that you can't get an adapter
machined from a hassy extension tube for that price, and the kiev 60
retains the autodiaphragm operation of these lenses etc. ;-) Even buying a
mamiya 645 or other focal plane body and using it with a cheap adapter
with P6 etc. lenses seems problematic - you are limited to 6x4.5 and not
6x6cm potential of lenses, and the adapter is manual and not
autodiaphragm. Again, the Kiev 60 seems impossible to beat, esp. if you
want a built-in lightmeter and prism ;-)

very few even serious amateur users really use the interchangeable back
feature, as reflected in anemic back sales (less than one extra per SLR
body, including polaroid types). The same is true of interchangeable
lenses (only 2.3 or so lenses per body, including the normal lenses which
are often 50% or more of lenses sold in some lines). As some pentax 67
users have noted, it is cheaper to buy another camera (kiev 60 esp.) than
another back in many MF SLR systems (hassy, rollei..). When you consider
how little is involved in most SLR backs vs. body and lenses, the high
costs (e.g., $900 for hassy..) are hard to justify IMHO against the more
complex bodies.

The other real problem is that the low cost of P6 lenses, esp. carl zeiss
jena optics, makes it hard not to buy into the Kiev line if you need lots
of lenses, esp. the shift lenses, fisheye, and long telephotos which are
available in P6.

just my $.02 ;-)

bobm
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