Depth of field - two of them?

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


The 10 seconds was an estimate from memory of
past events. By actual test the Google app takes 30 seconds from start
to finish befoe I can start typing. Google via Safari takes about 8
seconds or a little more.

8 seconds is still unusually long to launch safari, or most apps for
that matter, but at least the second time will be instant.

You must learn to read for comprehension before you launch into print.

you should refrain from ad hominem attacks if you wish to be taken
seriously.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 20:04:04 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


The 10 seconds was an estimate from memory of
past events. By actual test the Google app takes 30 seconds from start
to finish befoe I can start typing. Google via Safari takes about 8
seconds or a little more.

8 seconds is still unusually long to launch safari, or most apps for
that matter, but at least the second time will be instant.

You must learn to read for comprehension before you launch into print.

you should refrain from ad hominem attacks if you wish to be taken
seriously.

That's not an ad hominem. It's advice that you have misread and
misunderstood what I wrote. I never said that Safari takes 8 seconds.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

The 10 seconds was an estimate from memory of
past events. By actual test the Google app takes 30 seconds from start
to finish befoe I can start typing. Google via Safari takes about 8
seconds or a little more.

8 seconds is still unusually long to launch safari, or most apps for
that matter, but at least the second time will be instant.

You must learn to read for comprehension before you launch into print.

you should refrain from ad hominem attacks if you wish to be taken
seriously.

That's not an ad hominem.

it is

It's advice that you have misread and
misunderstood what I wrote. I never said that Safari takes 8 seconds.

searching via google certainly doesn't take 8 seconds. it's *instant*,
with search suggestions auto-populating as you type, much like on a
desktop computer...

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Well you haven't come up with any other solution that seems viable in
the real world to why yuor ipad and desktop are showing difernt speeds.

I've already mentioned wifi. There is competition from two
neighbouring houses plus the attenuation caused by the structure of my
own house, acording to where it might be.

So nothing to do with the ipad then

I never said it was, except to the extent that it uses wifi while my
desktop is hard wired.

So why bother ?
If you're wifi is so much slower than a hard wired link then perhaps it's
time to change yuor router or up the amount you pay to get a better service.

and as it turns out, he has an outdated 802.11n 1x1 router.

Thick people will think that it's slower on the iPad because it's an ipad.

yep.


it;s a wifi problem that if yuo used yuor PC on wifi yuo;d get the same or
similar problem, which you;d also get with any andriod device or ANY other
device on wifi.

My desktop is not wifi.

My iMac can, can't you're PC do wifi ?

how do you think they get the price down? lesser specs.




It's the overall
combination of touch screen vs keyboard and the user interface
provided by the software.

No it isn't

You are getting as bad as nospam.

When you come up with such stupid remarks what can you expect but be told you
are wrong.
In fact touch might be quicker as there;s no delay in key travel that you get in
standard keyboards. The speed of the user will be the bottleneck.

yea, because the few milliseconds for key travel is significant.

not.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 04:56:13 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

The 10 seconds was an estimate from memory of
past events. By actual test the Google app takes 30 seconds from start
to finish befoe I can start typing. Google via Safari takes about 8
seconds or a little more.

8 seconds is still unusually long to launch safari, or most apps for
that matter, but at least the second time will be instant.

You must learn to read for comprehension before you launch into print.

you should refrain from ad hominem attacks if you wish to be taken
seriously.

That's not an ad hominem.

it is

It's advice that you have misread and
misunderstood what I wrote. I never said that Safari takes 8 seconds.

searching via google certainly doesn't take 8 seconds. it's *instant*,
with search suggestions auto-populating as you type, much like on a
desktop computer...

Now for your third try at reading and understanding what I wrote.
Hint: I said nothing about the time for searching in Google.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 04:54:20 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Monday, 4 February 2019 23:15:32 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 03 Feb 2019 18:56:23 -0500, nospam
wrote:

what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other
things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad.

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

then you have a slow wifi link this is not a fault of the ipad.

I never said it was.



again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its
fullest potential.

Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest
applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small
touch-screen.

No it depends on the devices used.

????
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:30:28 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:55:47 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 02:41:17 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 8 February 2019 01:34:02 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 22:58:47 -0600, Bill W
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:51:50 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

Upload
speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds.

they should be the same.

In my case they are throttled.

your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad.

But it is a factor in why I don't like using it for applications such
as Google.

I really hate to ask this, but are you using an ipad you got from a
cellular company? If so, are you sure it is switching over to wifi at
home? I ask this only because that was the issue my sister had.

It's a 3rd generation iPad I bought from Apple many years ago. It's
got lots of memory and room for a sim card but I have never got around
to installing one.

This show you have little understanding of an iPad.
The SIM card isn't for storage it'll just allow you to use a cellular network.

Has nospam recently given you a transfusion. I wasn't attributing
anything to the sim card (or not). I was meely describing the iPad.

How do Aple describe such ipads ?
it's Wifi or wifi and cellular .

Why mention the SIM ?

To help discriminate my iPad from other possible models of iPad.

It makes little difference to the overall fucnctioning of the ipad.




The momory of each iPad is fixed you can;lt change it or buy more and I doubt yuo know how much memeory yuor ipad has

64 GB storage.

but that's not memory is it.
I bet you have memory and storage in your PC as do all computers.

The iPad air 2 has 2GB of Memory ,
Irrespective of th4e colour, whether you can install a SIM or whether you purchased 32? 64GB 128GB 256GB the MEMORY is fixed to 2GB.

The third and fourth generation have only 1 GB LPDDR2.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:47:06 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Saturday, 9 February 2019 08:11:27 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 03:13:39 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 8 February 2019 09:35:15 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:


As does throttled HS Fibre.

How do you know it;s throttled and not just a crap server or bad connection or over use because the ISP is taking on more than they have capacity for which has happened in the UK.

Because ikt is in my contract with my ISP. I could get it completely
unthrottled but that would cost me more. I don't need it.

So your PC is also throttled then, ISPs don't throttle individual products.

I said that right back near the beginning.

My ISP applies throttling on the cheaper connection deals you can have.
something like on 9-5 weekdays during peak demand.
If you pay more than throttle less.
Sometimes they throttle individual services such as bittorrent.

I don;t thik they have the ability (yet) to target particular devices and decide well we'll only thottle ipads today and tomorro it will be samsung paid and the day after dell PCs etc...

It's only in nospam's mind that anyone is targeting iPads.

You seemed to be by claiming the iPad was slower in some way when using google .

It's ceretainly slower than my desk top. The connection is slower. The
user interface is slower. But lets not go back over all that again.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 07:52:46 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Saturday, 9 February 2019 08:14:49 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 03:00:12 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 8 February 2019 02:01:13 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 05:28:11 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:


Well you haven't come up with any other solution that seems viable in the real world to why yuor ipad and desktop are showing difernt speeds.

I've already mentioned wifi. There is competition from two
neighbouring houses plus the attenuation caused by the structure of my
own house, acording to where it might be.

So nothing to do with the ipad then

I never said it was, except to the extent that it uses wifi while my
desktop is hard wired.

So why bother ?
If you're wifi is so much slower than a hard wired link then perhaps it's time to change yuor router or up the amount you pay to get a better service.

As I have (sigh) already explained, the local area is cluttered with
interfering wifi networks. Channels interfere with each other and
network efficiency is low.

Thick people will think that it's slower on the iPad because it's an ipad.

Thick people seem to think that was what I was saying. :-(



it;s a wifi problem that if yuo used yuor PC on wifi yuo;d get the same or similar problem, which you;d also get with any andriod device or ANY other device on wifi.

My desktop is not wifi.

My iMac can, can't you're PC do wifi ?

It was on wifi but I went to a great deal of trouble to get a Cat6
connection.


what are yuo using to test.

Speed testers offered by several local ISPs.

I'd use an independent checker, they usually select the fasterst local server.

Understood, but I am using a particular server which is not
necessarily the fastest. I want to know what I _am_ getting, not what
I might be able to get elsewhere.




I'm betting my iphone7 is faster on wifi than your desktop is, wanna do sone tests, but I'd suggest that would be a bit unfair due to servers and location.


I don't spend all day carrying out speed tests.

It take sabout 30 second on a mac or iPad it should take a similar time on a PC provided it stayed up and running that long ;-)

It's the overall
combination of touch screen vs keyboard and the user interface
provided by the software.

No it isn't

You are getting as bad as nospam.

When you come up with such stupid remarks what can you expect but be told you are wrong.
In fact touch might be quicker as there;s no delay in key travel that you get in standard keyboards. The speed of the user will be the bottleneck.

You are as bad as nospam. This is not a discussion about what might
be. It's a discussion about what is. As to the speed of a key stroke,
have you considered the possibility that different software
applications might give rise to entirely different user applications
on different devices?
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 11:38:25 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Well you haven't come up with any other solution that seems viable in
the real world to why yuor ipad and desktop are showing difernt speeds.

I've already mentioned wifi. There is competition from two
neighbouring houses plus the attenuation caused by the structure of my
own house, acording to where it might be.

So nothing to do with the ipad then

I never said it was, except to the extent that it uses wifi while my
desktop is hard wired.

So why bother ?
If you're wifi is so much slower than a hard wired link then perhaps it's
time to change yuor router or up the amount you pay to get a better service.

and as it turns out, he has an outdated 802.11n 1x1 router.

Thick people will think that it's slower on the iPad because it's an ipad.

yep.


it;s a wifi problem that if yuo used yuor PC on wifi yuo;d get the same or
similar problem, which you;d also get with any andriod device or ANY other
device on wifi.

My desktop is not wifi.

My iMac can, can't you're PC do wifi ?

how do you think they get the price down? lesser specs.




It's the overall
combination of touch screen vs keyboard and the user interface
provided by the software.

No it isn't

You are getting as bad as nospam.

When you come up with such stupid remarks what can you expect but be told you
are wrong.
In fact touch might be quicker as there;s no delay in key travel that you get in
standard keyboards. The speed of the user will be the bottleneck.

yea, because the few milliseconds for key travel is significant.

not.

Agreed.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens