Buying Adobe Elements?

In article , David Hare-Scott
wrote:

First my newsserver seems to be playing up as I clearly don't have all the
posts in this thread (including my original) so I am replying to first I can
get hold of. This is nothing personal about Tony Cooper or his
contribution.

OK some clarification. I know the difference between full Photoshop,
Elements, Element Premiere etc. I want Adobe Photoshop Elements version 11
for still photography.

that much was clear, except to one person.

I am in Australia. The exact price is not important. I want to know why one
version is a third of the price of the other in the same market. What is
meant by 'attach' or 'mass merchant attached bundle' in this context. I
have searched the Adobe site and there nothing to clarify that I can find.
In the context of software 'bundle' usually means you get something cheaper
if you buy another product with it. None of the merchants I have checked
offering this (and there are a few) care to explain what else is in the
bundle is or if in fact it is a bundle at all. I begin to suspect that it
is a copy that was licensed to be bundled with a larger purchase (eg a
camera) that is now being offered alone.

i've never heard the term attach or mass merchant attached. are there
other products using either term in australia?

in any event, it's probably a bundled version being resold standalone,
as you suspect.

Whether Adobe would be happy with
that I don't know.

not likely, if it's a version intended to be bundled with hardware.

I was hoping that somebody would actually know the answer and save me
guessing. Anybody?

ask adobe directly for an authoritative answer.

| I begin to suspect that it
| is a copy that was licensed to be bundled with a larger purchase (eg a
| camera) that is now being offered alone.

That seems likely. It's common to sell things cheaper
by splitting them up. There was a court challenge to that
in the US many years ago. Buycheapsoftware.com was
challenged by someone. Maybe Microsoft, but I'm not
sure. They were splitting up program disks that were meant
to come in one package and selling them separately. For
instance, selling the Visual C++, VB, and documentation disks
separately from a Visual Studio package.

| Whether Adobe would be happy with
| that I don't know.
|

Buycheapsoftware won their case, but I don't know
how that applies to Australian law. "Mass Merchant Attach"
seems to be specific to Australia. And that still doesn't
answer whether the "bundle" version is fully functional.
In the example above, for instance, someone buying the
VC++ disk was getting a full, usable, legal product, but
without the help files that may or may not have come
with a VC++ retail product.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| I begin to suspect that it
| is a copy that was licensed to be bundled with a larger purchase (eg a
| camera) that is now being offered alone.

That seems likely. It's common to sell things cheaper
by splitting them up. There was a court challenge to that
in the US many years ago. Buycheapsoftware.com was
challenged by someone. Maybe Microsoft, but I'm not
sure. They were splitting up program disks that were meant
to come in one package and selling them separately. For
instance, selling the Visual C++, VB, and documentation disks
separately from a Visual Studio package.

i can't find anything about a lawsuit involving buycheapsoftware.com

however, i am finding a slew of reports about how much they rip off
customers.

it looks like the lawsuit you might be thinking of is softman v. adobe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftMan_Products_Co._v._Adobe_Systems_Inc.

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:01:16 -0400, nospam wrote:
: In article
: ,
: RichA wrote:
:
: Just wait. Once it becomes a cloud rental program, they'll be
: downloading commercials to you every other day.
:
: no they won't.

What's with you this week, nospam? Are you in a competition for recognition as
Adobe's No. 1 Shill?

Bob

In article , Robert Coe
wrote:

: Just wait. Once it becomes a cloud rental program, they'll be
: downloading commercials to you every other day.
:
: no they won't.

What's with you this week, nospam? Are you in a competition for recognition as
Adobe's No. 1 Shill?

i'm not shilling for anyone.

adobe is not going to force commercials on paying users. it's stupid on
its face and just more of the usual rich a. idiocy.

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:47:06 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:

I am considering buying Elements 11. It seems to come in several forms.

Most vendors offer it for about $120 (AU). One is offering "Photoshop
Elements 11 MP Attach ( ADOBE 65207557 )" for $35.

I have worked out that "MP" means multiplatform, which is not important.

"Attach" seems to be "Mass merchant attached bundle". What does that mean?
Am I getting the full product? What's the catch?

David


The catch? If it's too good to be true, then....

Expect to pay around $120, there is only 1 version of Photoshop E. 11.

BUT you can buy it along with Premier Elements and get a deal on the 2 of
them... not sure of the combo price because I haven't got an ad from them
recently. I bought the combo version 9 but upgraded Premier only to 11.

On 2013-05-12 19:58:44 -0700, said:

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:47:06 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:

I am considering buying Elements 11. It seems to come in several forms.

Most vendors offer it for about $120 (AU). One is offering "Photoshop
Elements 11 MP Attach ( ADOBE 65207557 )" for $35.

I have worked out that "MP" means multiplatform, which is not important.

"Attach" seems to be "Mass merchant attached bundle". What does that mean?
Am I getting the full product? What's the catch?

David


The catch? If it's too good to be true, then....

Expect to pay around $120, there is only 1 version of Photoshop E. 11.

PSE11 is $99.99 from Adobe.
If you shop at Amazon you will find it at $62.47.
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65193986.../dp/B0093FROMA

Amazon also has the PSE11 + Premier Elements combo for $93.55,
considerably less than the price of PSE11 alone directly from Adobe.
That is if you actually need Premier.


BUT you can buy it along with Premier Elements and get a deal on the 2 of
them... not sure of the combo price because I haven't got an ad from them
recently. I bought the combo version 9 but upgraded Premier only to 11.

From Adobe that combo is $149.99.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article ,
wrote:

"Attach" seems to be "Mass merchant attached bundle". What does that mean?
Am I getting the full product? What's the catch?


The catch? If it's too good to be true, then....

Expect to pay around $120, there is only 1 version of Photoshop E. 11.

street price is closer to half that.

elements is $99 msrp. anything higher than msrp and you are being
ripped off.

wrote:
On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:47:06 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:

I am considering buying Elements 11. It seems to come in several
forms.

Most vendors offer it for about $120 (AU). One is offering
"Photoshop Elements 11 MP Attach ( ADOBE 65207557 )" for $35.

I have worked out that "MP" means multiplatform, which is not
important.

"Attach" seems to be "Mass merchant attached bundle". What does
that mean? Am I getting the full product? What's the catch?

David


The catch? If it's too good to be true, then....

I keep that in mind always.

But there are bargains to be had, including where retailers bend their
arrangements with manufacturers - that are of no concern to me if *they* go
war in the courts. For example, the full version of MS Office Pro is about
$600 but I bought it for $140 as a 'student'. I am a student of many things
(and I made no misrepresentations about that) but I am probably not the
buyer MS had in mind when they struck the deal with the vendor.

D

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 12 May 2013 20:05:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2013-05-12 19:58:44 -0700, said:

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:47:06 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:

I am considering buying Elements 11. It seems to come in several
forms.

Most vendors offer it for about $120 (AU). One is offering
"Photoshop Elements 11 MP Attach ( ADOBE 65207557 )" for $35.

I have worked out that "MP" means multiplatform, which is not
important.

"Attach" seems to be "Mass merchant attached bundle". What does
that mean? Am I getting the full product? What's the catch?

David


The catch? If it's too good to be true, then....

Expect to pay around $120, there is only 1 version of Photoshop E.
11.

PSE11 is $99.99 from Adobe.
If you shop at Amazon you will find it at $62.47.

http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65193986.../dp/B0093FROMA


Amazon also has the PSE11 + Premier Elements combo for $93.55,
considerably less than the price of PSE11 alone directly from Adobe.
That is if you actually need Premier.


The poster is from Australia, and will be paying in Australian
dollars. The currency converter says US$1 = A$1 (actually .9981), so
using the US price about $60 is a valid comparison.

This surprises me since someone (Eric?) was saying how much higher
Adobe products are in Australia.

I don't know how much E 11 is in Australia if you purchase it from
Adobe. I am curious, though.

If I buy it from Adobe Aust. it is $131-25 AU. This is not unusual.
Various regulatory authorities and consumer protection groups are currently
quizzing the international software and entertainment content makers as to
why Australians pay 50-100% more than the rest of the world for the same
products.

D