Medium format back prices ludicrous

On 1/25/11 12:37 AM, in article
, "RichA"
wrote:

The price of an entry-level car? 4000lbs of steel, plastic, aluminum,
electronics, base metals, rubber, etc., the same as a 1.5lb piece of
electronics?. Pure insanity. Those things aren't radiation-hardened
and going into space, so is it solely the R&D and the sensor being
paid for here? It certainly isn't the $10-$20 worth of electronics or
the LCD screen...

Luminous Landscape

Pricing, Availability and Other News

Phase 80MP back.
The IQ180 back will start to ship in late April, 2011. The IQ160 and
IQ140 will become available over the following couple of months.

The IQ180 will be priced at US $43,990.

It's not for fools like you. That is a PROFESSIONAL piece of equipment.

The intended market users will soon pay for it in their day to day work.

Gawd, you are DENSE!

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:57:31 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , George Kerby
says...
It's not for fools like you. That is a PROFESSIONAL piece of equipment.

The intended market users will soon pay for it in their day to day work.

Just curious, what are 80MP images used for? For magazines or brochures
less resolution is more than sufficient, so this must be for something
larger.

I'm not entirely sure that you are right. I remember some years ago
reading an article by professional landscape and nature photographer
in which he said his customers wanted a minimum of 48 Mp quality. I
can't remember the details of how he achieved this other than that it
entailed a special back on a conventional medium format camera.



Eric Stevens

On 2011-01-27 12:21:45 -0800, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:57:31 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , George Kerby
says...
It's not for fools like you. That is a PROFESSIONAL piece of equipment.

The intended market users will soon pay for it in their day to day work.

Just curious, what are 80MP images used for? For magazines or brochures
less resolution is more than sufficient, so this must be for something
larger.

I'm not entirely sure that you are right. I remember some years ago
reading an article by professional landscape and nature photographer
in which he said his customers wanted a minimum of 48 Mp quality. I
can't remember the details of how he achieved this other than that it
entailed a special back on a conventional medium format camera.



Eric Stevens

If you want a 48MP image there is always mosaicing.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2011.01.27 17:27 , Alfred Molon wrote:
In , shiva das
says...
Billboards

But these are watched at a distance, aren't they? So less resolution
would be sufficient.

That's correct - however the same art on billboards may also appear on
large poster work for various needs related to the same campaign.

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Originally Posted by George Kerby

On 1/25/11 12:37 AM, in article
, "RichA"
wrote:

The price of an entry-level car? 4000lbs of steel, plastic, aluminum,
electronics, base metals, rubber, etc., the same as a 1.5lb piece of
electronics?. Pure insanity. Those things aren't radiation-hardened
and going into space, so is it solely the R&D and the sensor being
paid for here? It certainly isn't the $10-$20 worth of electronics or
the LCD screen...

Luminous Landscape

Pricing, Availability and Other News

Phase 80MP back.
The IQ180 back will start to ship in late April, 2011. The IQ160 and
IQ140 will become available over the following couple of months.

The IQ180 will be priced at US $43,990.

It's not for fools like you. That is a PROFESSIONAL piece of equipment.

The intended market users will soon pay for it in their day to day work.

Gawd, you are DENSE!

Those backs have always been outrageous. 35mm resolution is pretty high these days and make more sense to me. I used to love shooting medium and large format film but that was worth it at least.

On 2011.01.27 18:37 , Alfred Molon wrote:
In articleRcidnVSTH4DOa9zQnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews. com, Alan Browne
says...
That's correct - however the same art on billboards may also appear on
large poster work for various needs related to the same campaign.

Ok, and before the launch of this new 80MP camera what were people
using? Medium format film?

And LF.

When I scan MF @ 4000 dpi I get about 78 Mpix. (56 x 4000 / 25.4 )^2

A drum scan of MF or LF will yield a lot more...

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"Alan Browne" wrote:
On 2011.01.27 18:37 , Alfred Molon wrote:
In articleRcidnVSTH4DOa9zQnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews. com, Alan Browne
says...
That's correct - however the same art on billboards may also appear on
large poster work for various needs related to the same campaign.

Ok, and before the launch of this new 80MP camera what were people
using? Medium format film?

And LF.

When I scan MF @ 4000 dpi I get about 78 Mpix. (56 x 4000 / 25.4 )^2

A drum scan of MF or LF will yield a lot more...

But they're crap pixels. In large prints, 21MP from the 5D2 is noticeably
better than the 52MP from a 4000 ppi scan of 645, and pretty much
indistinguishable from the 100 MP from 6x7. (If you blow up 6x7 and 5D2
images excessively, the 6x7 captures marginally more detail, but the grain
patterns make the images ugly before you can really use that detail, so it
really is a wash. And with the Canon TSE lenses and the Zeiss 21/2.8,
there's no problem producing corner to corner razor sharp images.)

My usual rant: people cry about how terrible Bayer sensors are and how great
life would be with full-color pixels, but in real life Bayer is better than
film by about a factor of four, which is flipping amazing. At 12x18, a sharp
5D2 image makes a breathtakingly gorgeous print, one better than anything
film formats smaller than 6x7 could ever dream of.

To get back to the question, in Tokyo at least, you see LF quality
advertising posters all the time. So real people really were using LF, not
just the Ansel Adams wannabes.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

On 1/27/2011 4:15 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-01-27 12:21:45 -0800, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:57:31 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , George Kerby
says...
It's not for fools like you. That is a PROFESSIONAL piece of equipment.

The intended market users will soon pay for it in their day to day
work.

Just curious, what are 80MP images used for? For magazines or brochures
less resolution is more than sufficient, so this must be for something
larger.

I'm not entirely sure that you are right. I remember some years ago
reading an article by professional landscape and nature photographer
in which he said his customers wanted a minimum of 48 Mp quality. I
can't remember the details of how he achieved this other than that it
entailed a special back on a conventional medium format camera.



Eric Stevens

If you want a 48MP image there is always mosaicing.


Ah! A new definition for an old word, that formerly had been used in
connection with map making. I'm sure it will do better than "siskerize."

Maybe we ought to change the name of this group to alt.new.wordsand
meanings.


--
Peter

On 2011-01-27 17:57:50 -0800, peter said:

On 1/27/2011 4:15 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-01-27 12:21:45 -0800, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:57:31 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , George Kerby
says...
It's not for fools like you. That is a PROFESSIONAL piece of equipment.

The intended market users will soon pay for it in their day to day
work.

Just curious, what are 80MP images used for? For magazines or brochures
less resolution is more than sufficient, so this must be for something
larger.

I'm not entirely sure that you are right. I remember some years ago
reading an article by professional landscape and nature photographer
in which he said his customers wanted a minimum of 48 Mp quality. I
can't remember the details of how he achieved this other than that it
entailed a special back on a conventional medium format camera.



Eric Stevens

If you want a 48MP image there is always mosaicing.


Ah! A new definition for an old word, that formerly had been used in
connection with map making. I'm sure it will do better than "siskerize."

Maybe we ought to change the name of this group to alt.new.wordsand meanings.

It isn't already?

Well I thought creating a verb from a noun, a sort of inverse gerund
might have been the way to go. :-)
Still a non-word though, created for this thread.

That said, creation of a large image by use of a mosaic pattern is the
technique used by Gigapan to create their massive images. Not all of
those are panoramas. Gigapan can use to shoot multiple images of a
large subject to be stitched together to form a 1:1 image, or
enlargement for a billboard, or similar use.

The various uses of "mosaic" in digital have been explored in the SI by
Troy Piggins and some others.

I have been playing with a Mac program for creating tiled mosaic
renditions of JPEGs, "MacOSaix"
http://homepage.mac.com/knarf/MacOSaiX/

This is not what is being talked about here.

Just a little bit of entertaining fun.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

shiva das wrote:
In . com,
Alfred wrote:

In , George Kerby
says...
It's not for fools like you. That is a PROFESSIONAL piece of equipment.

The intended market users will soon pay for it in their day to day work.

Just curious, what are 80MP images used for? For magazines or brochures
less resolution is more than sufficient, so this must be for something
larger.

Billboards
Posters
Subway Ads
Bus Ads
Signs
Bus Shelter Ads
Bus Wrappers
Trade Show Booths
Political Conventions

Most large prints are done at lower print resolutions.

BugBear