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Smartphone disease spreading
Davoud:
... How many awards do iPhone photos have to win, how many iPhone photos have to appear in prestigious magazines, how many Oscars do iPhone movies have to win, before you grant it "real" status? Tony Cooper: This seems to be a favorite hobby horse of yours... Am I the only one on Usenet who calls BS when he sees it? To call and raise your objection, why do you single out iPhones and not include phones that are not made by Apple? Isn't it rather juvenile of you to imply that only iPhones have capable cameras? I've always held to the axiom "Write about what you know." I've heard tell that the iPhone imitators can also make good photos, and I've no reason to doubt that, but I have no experience with the off-brand phones. The imitators are certainly good enough for those who can't afford iPhones. As for pedantry, Molon pedantically insists that smartphone cameras are not "real" cameras. That is patently untrue. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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"Davoud" wrote
| Isn't it rather juvenile of you.... | | iPhone imitators.... | off-brand phones.... | The imitators are certainly good enough for those who can't | afford iPhones.... You couldn't have done a better job of making his point for him. |
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Davoud:
I've heard tell that the iPhone imitators can also make good photos, and I've no reason to doubt that, but I have no experience with the off-brand phones. The imitators are certainly good enough for those who can't afford iPhones. Tony Cooper: Whoa! Talk about BS! Smartphones not made by Apple are imitators? Off-brands? Yes. Of all made things there can be only one original. Apple invented the smartphone AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. That the imitators jumped on it is no surprise; Apple is, after all, the most envied and imitated company in the world. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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Smartphone disease spreading
In article , Mayayana
wrote: The hot buzz seems to be "computational photography", which is little more than a techie-sounding term for auto-photos. absolutely wrong. I wonder about the economics of it. Both Android and iPhone now take RAW. Yet RAW- capable cameras seem to start at over $500 retail. And who uses the RAW setting on their phone? What's the point? On the other hand, the upcoming iPhone is expected to be over $1,000. What's wrong with this picture? *one* of the upcoming iphones is expected to be over $1000, with very advanced features that set it apart from the rest of the lineup. there are cheaper iphones, starting at $399, and that is not going to change. android phones are similarly priced, with some even higher. the red hydrogen android phone, which claims to have a holographic display and multi-dimensional audio, is $1200-$1600, depending on version, with prices after the initial batch not guaranteed. in other words, it could be *higher*. https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea.../red-hydrogen- one-smartphone-price-specs-release The company says the phone will ship in early 2018, and it¹s currently available for preorder on RED¹s website. It starts at $1,195 for the aluminum version, and there¹s also a $1,595 variant made out of titanium. http://downloads.red.com/hydrogen.pdf the moto z is $720, with an optional camera mod for $300. https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-z-force-droid-edition https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/hasselblad-true-zoom I don't understand why people aren't clamoring for a market in basic phones that leave out the features they don't really want or need. But maybe that need is filled by various Android models. because most people want more than a basic phone. low end phones still exist, however, they don't sell particularly well. In my contracting business I'm getting an increasing number of people who email me pictures of bathroom water damage or molding design from their phones. They're good images. Certainly good enough for me to see what I need to. Are they talented photographers? I don't know. Does it matter? They're just trying to send me a clear picture of damaged drywall and their camera is adequate to that task. It makes things easier for me.... But I still think they're idiots for spending so much on a phone. and they think you're an idiot for using a tracfone or whatever it is you have. |
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: To call and raise your objection, why do you single out iPhones and not include phones that are not made by Apple? Isn't it rather juvenile of you to imply that only iPhones have capable cameras? I've always held to the axiom "Write about what you know." I've heard tell that the iPhone imitators can also make good photos, and I've no reason to doubt that, but I have no experience with the off-brand phones. The imitators are certainly good enough for those who can't afford iPhones. Whoa! Talk about BS! Smartphones not made by Apple are imitators? most of them copy whatever apple does, samsung in particular, who copies everyone. http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-designs-2011-4 even samsung's own lawyers could *not* tell the difference between an iphone and a samsung galaxy when the judge held them up in court, one of many reasons why samsung lost that case. what really did them in was samsung's internal documents that explicitly said to copy whatever apple does. samsung even used apple's own icons in their stores. here's a bunch more iphone copies, including one with a rather obvious name, kiphone. http://www.deccanchronicle.com/15041...and-tabs/artic le/six-iphone-6-look-alikes Off-brands? plenty of them. there are a *lot* of off-brands making android phones that nobody has ever heard of and who will likely not exist in a year or two. |
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Whisky-dave wrote: I saw a gold colour bentley with private plates outside a tesco express a few weeks ago who buys a gold bentley and shops at tesco express ? he spent all his money on the bentley. |
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Whisky-dave says... If your car workshop has poor lighting how will the workers see the scratches and be able to fix them effectively as you need a bit more than one florescant tube in the garage to do a good job. It may be poor lighting for a smartphone, but good enough for a human. In any case, cameras with larger sensors and good AF outperform smartphones in low light or other challenging light conditions. They have more dynamic range, less noise and better lenses (you can't change a lens for a better one on a smartphone). -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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In article , MC
wrote: Yes. Of all made things there can be only one original. Apple invented the smartphone AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. That the imitators jumped on it is no surprise; Apple is, after all, the most envied and imitated company in the world. Envied? certainly not. Imitated? I would be more inclined to say Apple may have "inspired" other devices rather than being imitated. The fact that more Android phones are sold than iPhones clearly shows that Apple either do not have a product that everybody wants or that Apple are, indeed, overpriced when compared to a similar or better specced "alternative" smartphone. nonsense. android phones with similar specs cost about the same or more, and the top selling phones are iphones, limited by production capacity. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/10/ipho...selling-smartp hone-in-q1--strategy-analytics.html € The iPhone 7 was the world's best-selling smartphone in Q1 € Apple's iPhone 7 Plus was the second best-selling device € Competitors lag far behind in terms of unit sales I think it has already been established that the majority of those who buy iPhones are already "fans" who have bought into the Apple name and ethos. nonsense again. the majority of iphone owners use windows. Those who buy Android (or any other smartphone) do so because they cannot justify the cost for an iPhone when an Android phone can do the same or better job for a lot, lot less money. Either that or they refuse to be part of the Apple club and the elitist attitudes that Apple users seem try and propagate. nonsense again. the only attitude is from the haters. |
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"MC" wrote
| | I think it has already been established that the majority of those who | buy iPhones are already "fans" who have bought into the Apple name and | ethos. Those who buy Android (or any other smartphone) do so because | they cannot justify the cost for an iPhone when an Android phone can do | the same or better job for a lot, lot less money. Either that or they | refuse to be part of the Apple club and the elitist attitudes that | Apple users seem try and propagate. | Wouldn't it be more fair to compare them to computers? Probably most iPhones are bought by people who use Macs, but just as with computers, iPhones are perceived as being the Cadillac. Much more money, but also ease of use, stability and at least a perceived safety. As well as a swank factor. Apple is the new AOL and has been for a long time: People who want to shop and not have to worry about technical issues willingly pay more for the convenience of not having to think about the details. Those same people are not bothered by Apple lockdown. They don't even see it. I thought Vic Gundotra characterized it very well. By controlling the hardware and software completely, and charging through the nose, Apple is able to more quickly and dependably make stable improvements. That's exactly their selling point with Mac vs Windows. You pay extra and get less functionality, but what it does, it does well and dependably. In any case, there's no sense discussing it with an AppleSeed. Davoud demonstrates a thoroughly irrational dedication that's not susceptible to logic. |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: Wouldn't it be more fair to compare them to computers? Probably most iPhones are bought by people who use Macs, nope. most ios devices are bought by those who use windows. but just as with computers, iPhones are perceived as being the Cadillac. no. they're the toyotas of the world: well made, reliable and affordable. they 'just work'. you're the type of person who chooses a yugo. cheap, needs lots of maintenance and mostly works. Much more money, but also ease of use, stability and at least a perceived safety. not just perceived safety, but demonstrably safer. android is a breeding ground for malware. some android phones even ship with it built in: https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/1...spended-androi d-spyware-user-data-theft Blu, a Miami-based budget Android phone company, has been suspended from selling on Amazon after cybersecurity experts detailed how software preloaded onto its devices collects sensitive user data and sends it overseas, according to CNET As well as a swank factor. Apple is the new AOL and has been for a long time: nonsense. People who want to shop and not have to worry about technical issues willingly pay more for the convenience of not having to think about the details. there's nothing wrong with not needing to worry about technical issues. what matters is doing the tasks that the user wants to do, not **** around trying to get things to work. Those same people are not bothered by Apple lockdown. They don't even see it. only ios has restrictions, and it's not an issue except to those who don't use it. macs have zero restrictions. I thought Vic Gundotra characterized it very well. By controlling the hardware and software completely, and charging through the nose, Apple is able to more quickly and dependably make stable improvements. that's true, other than charging through the nose. apple products are competitively priced, with similar spec devices costing about the same. vic's point is that apple can innovate faster than android, and he's right. and remember, vic used to be at google. That's exactly their selling point with Mac vs Windows. You pay extra and get less functionality, but what it does, it does well and dependably. nope. you pay about the same for similar functionality, many times less. In any case, there's no sense discussing it with an AppleSeed. Davoud demonstrates a thoroughly irrational dedication that's not susceptible to logic. you demonstrate an irrational hatred of all things apple. |
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