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  #11  
Old April 18th 13, 10:26 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
John Turco
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On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:09:37 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2013.04.17 17:53 , Savageduck wrote:

It has had a rough life on the airshow curcuit.
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg


"There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed gear up and those
who will."
(An expression that doesn't hold much anymore but was popular
in the 70's).

A Belgian pilot I knew eventually did the feat.

His name was Guerin. ("gair-ain" in French, but we teased him as
"Gear-i n)


My father managed to get through WWII without a wheels up landing.
However, he remembers July 8, 1944, the day he "got blown up" after a
Japanese warehouse at Fac Fac, New Guinea exploded in front of him on a
low level strafing run, and he flew through the airborne debris. The
result was he had a japanese ammunition case jammed in the intercooler
intake of one of the engines of his P-38L necessitating a 290 mile
single engine flight to return to his home airfield.

It even made it into the 9th fighter Squadron Unit history:
"Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic
patrols, but on this date our planes escorted B-25's to Fac Fac. Upon
completion of the bombing all the flights strafed the target with fine
results. Lt. H. "Daddy Duck" strafed a warehouse which turned out to be
an ammunition depot. The resultant explosion threw debris to a very
respectable height. Passing thru all the flying boxes and miscellaneous
matter fouled up the coolant system of his plane, and Lt. "Daddy Duck"
came home on one engine with his right prop feathered, a distance of 290
miles, landing safely. Pieces of ammunition boxes lodged in his
intercoolers bore mute testimony to the fate of the warehouse. This was
an example of good minimum altitude strafing."

http://db.tt/uHYaWaFm



The inspiration for your "Savageduck" nickname is now revealed.

John
  #12  
Old April 19th 13, 12:53 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Savageduck[_3_]
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On 2013-04-18 14:26:15 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:09:37 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2013.04.17 17:53 , Savageduck wrote:

It has had a rough life on the airshow curcuit.
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg


"There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed gear up and those
who will."
(An expression that doesn't hold much anymore but was popular
in the 70's).

A Belgian pilot I knew eventually did the feat.

His name was Guerin. ("gair-ain" in French, but we teased him as
"Gear-i n)


My father managed to get through WWII without a wheels up landing.
However, he remembers July 8, 1944, the day he "got blown up" after a
Japanese warehouse at Fac Fac, New Guinea exploded in front of him on a
low level strafing run, and he flew through the airborne debris. The
result was he had a japanese ammunition case jammed in the intercooler
intake of one of the engines of his P-38L necessitating a 290 mile
single engine flight to return to his home airfield.

It even made it into the 9th fighter Squadron Unit history:
"Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic
patrols, but on this date our planes escorted B-25's to Fac Fac. Upon
completion of the bombing all the flights strafed the target with fine
results. Lt. H. "Daddy Duck" strafed a warehouse which turned out to be
an ammunition depot. The resultant explosion threw debris to a very
respectable height. Passing thru all the flying boxes and miscellaneous
matter fouled up the coolant system of his plane, and Lt. "Daddy Duck"
came home on one engine with his right prop feathered, a distance of 290
miles, landing safely. Pieces of ammunition boxes lodged in his
intercoolers bore mute testimony to the fate of the warehouse. This was
an example of good minimum altitude strafing."

http://db.tt/uHYaWaFm



The inspiration for your "Savageduck" nickname is now revealed.

John


Just a "Duck" redaction, or would that be "reducktion"?

....but before he switched to P-38s, he flew a P47D named "BigAssBurd".
I also obscured our last name in the shot below taken at Dobodura, New
Guinea.
http://db.tt/17ViYIJ7


--
Regards,

Savageduck

  #13  
Old April 19th 13, 03:06 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Russell D.
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On 04/17/2013 09:39 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:21:45 -0700, Savageduck
said:

On 2013-04-17 15:00:57 -0700, Savageduck
said:

On 2013-04-17 14:18:29 -0700, "Russell D." said:


I thought some of you aviation buffs might enjoy this photo that I
took at a mini air show in Driggs, Idaho last summer.

What is wrong with this picture? (Other than it is not that great of
a picture, etc., etc.)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25602611/jets.jpg


Russell

As I noted in you post to rec.photo.equipment.35mm (you should have
cross posted here):

At first glance one might believe this to be an F-86 "Sabre" followed
by a pair MIGs. The F-86 as such was never a Navy aircraft, and was
used exclusively by the USAF. However North American Aviation
developed the FJ, FJ-2, FJ-3, & FJ-4 "Fury" for the US navy from the
basic F-86. That is the aircraft in your capture. You should see that
on close examination, your FJ-3 does not have the three on either
side of the nose, .50 caliber guns, but is armed with 4 x 20mm
cannons, two on either side of the nose.
Also, you can just see the tail-hook confirming this as an FJ-4
"Fury", a derivative of the F-86, flown by US Navy & USMC.

I just checked, and it is an FJ-4B. This particular one is serial
number 143575 owned by Richard Sugden. It was built in 1958.
It has had a rough life on the air show circuit.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg

Nice capture!


I would add, that #143575 is the last flying example of the FJ-4B
"Fury", and has been restored to flying condition after the wheels up
landing shown above.

I have also taken the liberty to X-post to rec.photo.equipment.35mm as
that is appropriate and on topic for both groups.


Here is that wheels up landing in 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnuKgAcOD2Q



Thanks for the info, Duck. I couldn't remember what the American plane
was. And thanks for the history on the plane. That's pretty cool. The
other two are of course a Mig 15 and a Mig 17. The announcer of the show
said they didn't think that those three types of plane had ever flown
together before. They put on a mock dog fight that was pretty cool. All
three of them are now home based at the airport in little Driggs, Idaho.

Russell
  #14  
Old April 20th 13, 11:46 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
John Turco
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On 4/18/2013 6:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-18 14:26:15 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:09:37 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2013.04.17 17:53 , Savageduck wrote:

It has had a rough life on the airshow curcuit.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg


"There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed gear up and
those
who will."
(An expression that doesn't hold much anymore but was popular
in the 70's).

A Belgian pilot I knew eventually did the feat.

His name was Guerin. ("gair-ain" in French, but we teased him as
"Gear-i n)

My father managed to get through WWII without a wheels up landing.
However, he remembers July 8, 1944, the day he "got blown up" after a
Japanese warehouse at Fac Fac, New Guinea exploded in front of him on a
low level strafing run, and he flew through the airborne debris. The
result was he had a japanese ammunition case jammed in the intercooler
intake of one of the engines of his P-38L necessitating a 290 mile
single engine flight to return to his home airfield.

It even made it into the 9th fighter Squadron Unit history:
"Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic
patrols, but on this date our planes escorted B-25's to Fac Fac. Upon
completion of the bombing all the flights strafed the target with fine
results. Lt. H. "Daddy Duck" strafed a warehouse which turned out to be
an ammunition depot. The resultant explosion threw debris to a very
respectable height. Passing thru all the flying boxes and miscellaneous
matter fouled up the coolant system of his plane, and Lt. "Daddy Duck"
came home on one engine with his right prop feathered, a distance of 290
miles, landing safely. Pieces of ammunition boxes lodged in his
intercoolers bore mute testimony to the fate of the warehouse. This was
an example of good minimum altitude strafing."

http://db.tt/uHYaWaFm



The inspiration for your "Savageduck" nickname is now revealed.

John


Just a "Duck" redaction, or would that be "reducktion"?

....but before he switched to P-38s, he flew a P47D named "BigAssBurd".
I also obscured our last name in the shot below taken at Dobodura, New
Guinea.
http://db.tt/17ViYIJ7



It says "Bigasburd" in your photograph, though.

John
  #15  
Old April 21st 13, 12:18 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Savageduck[_3_]
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On 2013-04-20 15:46:26 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/18/2013 6:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-18 14:26:15 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:09:37 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2013.04.17 17:53 , Savageduck wrote:

It has had a rough life on the airshow curcuit.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg


"There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed gear up and
those
who will."
(An expression that doesn't hold much anymore but was popular
in the 70's).

A Belgian pilot I knew eventually did the feat.

His name was Guerin. ("gair-ain" in French, but we teased him as
"Gear-i n)

My father managed to get through WWII without a wheels up landing.
However, he remembers July 8, 1944, the day he "got blown up" after a
Japanese warehouse at Fac Fac, New Guinea exploded in front of him on a
low level strafing run, and he flew through the airborne debris. The
result was he had a japanese ammunition case jammed in the intercooler
intake of one of the engines of his P-38L necessitating a 290 mile
single engine flight to return to his home airfield.

It even made it into the 9th fighter Squadron Unit history:
"Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic
patrols, but on this date our planes escorted B-25's to Fac Fac. Upon
completion of the bombing all the flights strafed the target with fine
results. Lt. H. "Daddy Duck" strafed a warehouse which turned out to be
an ammunition depot. The resultant explosion threw debris to a very
respectable height. Passing thru all the flying boxes and miscellaneous
matter fouled up the coolant system of his plane, and Lt. "Daddy Duck"
came home on one engine with his right prop feathered, a distance of 290
miles, landing safely. Pieces of ammunition boxes lodged in his
intercoolers bore mute testimony to the fate of the warehouse. This was
an example of good minimum altitude strafing."

http://db.tt/uHYaWaFm


The inspiration for your "Savageduck" nickname is now revealed.

John


Just a "Duck" redaction, or would that be "reducktion"?

....but before he switched to P-38s, he flew a P47D named "BigAssBurd".
I also obscured our last name in the shot below taken at Dobodura, New
Guinea.
http://db.tt/17ViYIJ7



It says "Bigasburd" in your photograph, though.

John


Phingr phahlt! One "S" & two upper case letters too many.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

  #16  
Old April 21st 13, 02:00 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Walter Banks
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Savageduck wrote:

On 2013-04-20 15:46:26 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/18/2013 6:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-18 14:26:15 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:09:37 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2013.04.17 17:53 , Savageduck wrote:

It has had a rough life on the airshow curcuit.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg


"There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed gear up and
those
who will."
(An expression that doesn't hold much anymore but was popular
in the 70's).

A Belgian pilot I knew eventually did the feat.

His name was Guerin. ("gair-ain" in French, but we teased him as
"Gear-i n)

My father managed to get through WWII without a wheels up landing.
However, he remembers July 8, 1944, the day he "got blown up" after a
Japanese warehouse at Fac Fac, New Guinea exploded in front of him on a
low level strafing run, and he flew through the airborne debris. The
result was he had a japanese ammunition case jammed in the intercooler
intake of one of the engines of his P-38L necessitating a 290 mile
single engine flight to return to his home airfield.

It even made it into the 9th fighter Squadron Unit history:
"Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic
patrols, but on this date our planes escorted B-25's to Fac Fac. Upon
completion of the bombing all the flights strafed the target with fine
results. Lt. H. "Daddy Duck" strafed a warehouse which turned out to be
an ammunition depot. The resultant explosion threw debris to a very
respectable height. Passing thru all the flying boxes and miscellaneous
matter fouled up the coolant system of his plane, and Lt. "Daddy Duck"
came home on one engine with his right prop feathered, a distance of 290
miles, landing safely. Pieces of ammunition boxes lodged in his
intercoolers bore mute testimony to the fate of the warehouse. This was
an example of good minimum altitude strafing."

http://db.tt/uHYaWaFm


The inspiration for your "Savageduck" nickname is now revealed.

John

Just a "Duck" redaction, or would that be "reducktion"?

....but before he switched to P-38s, he flew a P47D named "BigAssBurd".
I also obscured our last name in the shot below taken at Dobodura, New
Guinea.
http://db.tt/17ViYIJ7



It says "Bigasburd" in your photograph, though.

John


Phingr phahlt! One "S" & two upper case letters too many.


I knew I had seen that name and picture somewhere. P47 was like
driving a mack truck compared to the P38. The name came from
what pilots thought of the P47

w..

  #17  
Old April 21st 13, 03:05 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Savageduck[_3_]
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On 2013-04-21 06:00:10 -0700, Walter Banks said:



Savageduck wrote:

On 2013-04-20 15:46:26 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/18/2013 6:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-18 14:26:15 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:09:37 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2013.04.17 17:53 , Savageduck wrote:

It has had a rough life on the airshow curcuit.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg


"There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed gear up and
those
who will."
(An expression that doesn't hold much anymore but was popular
in the 70's).

A Belgian pilot I knew eventually did the feat.

His name was Guerin. ("gair-ain" in French, but we teased him as
"Gear-i n)

My father managed to get through WWII without a wheels up landing.
However, he remembers July 8, 1944, the day he "got blown up" after a
Japanese warehouse at Fac Fac, New Guinea exploded in front of him on a
low level strafing run, and he flew through the airborne debris. The
result was he had a japanese ammunition case jammed in the intercooler
intake of one of the engines of his P-38L necessitating a 290 mile
single engine flight to return to his home airfield.

It even made it into the 9th fighter Squadron Unit history:
"Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic
patrols, but on this date our planes escorted B-25's to Fac Fac. Upon
completion of the bombing all the flights strafed the target with fine
results. Lt. H. "Daddy Duck" strafed a warehouse which turned out to be
an ammunition depot. The resultant explosion threw debris to a very
respectable height. Passing thru all the flying boxes and miscellaneous
matter fouled up the coolant system of his plane, and Lt. "Daddy Duck"
came home on one engine with his right prop feathered, a distance of 290
miles, landing safely. Pieces of ammunition boxes lodged in his
intercoolers bore mute testimony to the fate of the warehouse. This was
an example of good minimum altitude strafing."

http://db.tt/uHYaWaFm


The inspiration for your "Savageduck" nickname is now revealed.

John

Just a "Duck" redaction, or would that be "reducktion"?

....but before he switched to P-38s, he flew a P47D named "BigAssBurd".
I also obscured our last name in the shot below taken at Dobodura, New
Guinea.
http://db.tt/17ViYIJ7


It says "Bigasburd" in your photograph, though.

John


Phingr phahlt! One "S" & two upper case letters too many.


I knew I had seen that name and picture somewhere. P47 was like
driving a mack truck compared to the P38. The name came from
what pilots thought of the P47

w..


Well as Dad said about the P-47, there was nothing which could catch it
in a dive. Just wing over and head down hill with all that weight and
16 cylinders driving it.

As far as the P-38 goes, he said that until it got aileron boost with
the P-38J & P-38L the earlier editions pretty much handled like a
truck, and gave the pilots a good workout. He said flying the P-38J & L
models was like having power steering

--
Regards,

Savageduck

  #18  
Old April 21st 13, 04:30 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Alan Browne
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On 2013.04.21 10:05 , Savageduck wrote:

Well as Dad said about the P-47, there was nothing which could catch it
in a dive. Just wing over and head down hill with all that weight and 16
cylinders driving it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shsxuauQA3w




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  #19  
Old April 21st 13, 09:10 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Eric Stevens
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 07:05:37 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2013-04-21 06:00:10 -0700, Walter Banks said:



Savageduck wrote:

On 2013-04-20 15:46:26 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/18/2013 6:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-18 14:26:15 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:09:37 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2013.04.17 17:53 , Savageduck wrote:

It has had a rough life on the airshow curcuit.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg


"There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed gear up and
those
who will."
(An expression that doesn't hold much anymore but was popular
in the 70's).

A Belgian pilot I knew eventually did the feat.

His name was Guerin. ("gair-ain" in French, but we teased him as
"Gear-i n)

My father managed to get through WWII without a wheels up landing.
However, he remembers July 8, 1944, the day he "got blown up" after a
Japanese warehouse at Fac Fac, New Guinea exploded in front of him on a
low level strafing run, and he flew through the airborne debris. The
result was he had a japanese ammunition case jammed in the intercooler
intake of one of the engines of his P-38L necessitating a 290 mile
single engine flight to return to his home airfield.

It even made it into the 9th fighter Squadron Unit history:
"Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic
patrols, but on this date our planes escorted B-25's to Fac Fac. Upon
completion of the bombing all the flights strafed the target with fine
results. Lt. H. "Daddy Duck" strafed a warehouse which turned out to be
an ammunition depot. The resultant explosion threw debris to a very
respectable height. Passing thru all the flying boxes and miscellaneous
matter fouled up the coolant system of his plane, and Lt. "Daddy Duck"
came home on one engine with his right prop feathered, a distance of 290
miles, landing safely. Pieces of ammunition boxes lodged in his
intercoolers bore mute testimony to the fate of the warehouse. This was
an example of good minimum altitude strafing."

http://db.tt/uHYaWaFm


The inspiration for your "Savageduck" nickname is now revealed.

John

Just a "Duck" redaction, or would that be "reducktion"?

....but before he switched to P-38s, he flew a P47D named "BigAssBurd".
I also obscured our last name in the shot below taken at Dobodura, New
Guinea.
http://db.tt/17ViYIJ7


It says "Bigasburd" in your photograph, though.

John

Phingr phahlt! One "S" & two upper case letters too many.


I knew I had seen that name and picture somewhere. P47 was like
driving a mack truck compared to the P38. The name came from
what pilots thought of the P47

w..


Well as Dad said about the P-47, there was nothing which could catch it
in a dive. Just wing over and head down hill with all that weight and
16 cylinders driving it.


What happened to the other two cylinders?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_R-2800

As far as the P-38 goes, he said that until it got aileron boost with
the P-38J & P-38L the earlier editions pretty much handled like a
truck, and gave the pilots a good workout. He said flying the P-38J & L
models was like having power steering

--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #20  
Old April 21st 13, 09:34 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Alan Browne
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On 2013.04.21 16:10 , Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 07:05:37 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2013-04-21 06:00:10 -0700, Walter Banks said:



Savageduck wrote:

On 2013-04-20 15:46:26 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/18/2013 6:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-18 14:26:15 -0700, John Turco said:

On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2013-04-17 15:09:37 -0700, Alan Browne
said:

On 2013.04.17 17:53 , Savageduck wrote:

It has had a rough life on the airshow curcuit.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1612132.jpg


"There are two kinds of pilots. Those who have landed gear up and
those
who will."
(An expression that doesn't hold much anymore but was popular
in the 70's).

A Belgian pilot I knew eventually did the feat.

His name was Guerin. ("gair-ain" in French, but we teased him as
"Gear-i n)

My father managed to get through WWII without a wheels up landing.
However, he remembers July 8, 1944, the day he "got blown up" after a
Japanese warehouse at Fac Fac, New Guinea exploded in front of him on a
low level strafing run, and he flew through the airborne debris. The
result was he had a japanese ammunition case jammed in the intercooler
intake of one of the engines of his P-38L necessitating a 290 mile
single engine flight to return to his home airfield.

It even made it into the 9th fighter Squadron Unit history:
"Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic
patrols, but on this date our planes escorted B-25's to Fac Fac. Upon
completion of the bombing all the flights strafed the target with fine
results. Lt. H. "Daddy Duck" strafed a warehouse which turned out to be
an ammunition depot. The resultant explosion threw debris to a very
respectable height. Passing thru all the flying boxes and miscellaneous
matter fouled up the coolant system of his plane, and Lt. "Daddy Duck"
came home on one engine with his right prop feathered, a distance of 290
miles, landing safely. Pieces of ammunition boxes lodged in his
intercoolers bore mute testimony to the fate of the warehouse. This was
an example of good minimum altitude strafing."

http://db.tt/uHYaWaFm


The inspiration for your "Savageduck" nickname is now revealed.

John

Just a "Duck" redaction, or would that be "reducktion"?

....but before he switched to P-38s, he flew a P47D named "BigAssBurd".
I also obscured our last name in the shot below taken at Dobodura, New
Guinea.
http://db.tt/17ViYIJ7


It says "Bigasburd" in your photograph, though.

John

Phingr phahlt! One "S" & two upper case letters too many.

I knew I had seen that name and picture somewhere. P47 was like
driving a mack truck compared to the P38. The name came from
what pilots thought of the P47

w..


Well as Dad said about the P-47, there was nothing which could catch it
in a dive. Just wing over and head down hill with all that weight and
16 cylinders driving it.


What happened to the other two cylinders?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_R-2800


I'm sure the duck was just testing you...

(Note: radial engines always have an uneven number of cylinders per row,
so 16 cyl. is impossible). More common were 14 (2x7), 18 (2x9) 27
(3x9). I think there were some 4x7 or 4x9's out there too) 10 or 15
cyl. is "possible" but I don't know of any...).

(The only WW-II 5 cylinder radial I recall was the APU for the B-24 (I
think). A fellow here built a homebuilt and used one as the engine. It
had not been out of its crate since WW II. But it looked brand new.
Took a good hour to start the first time (carburetor set up), but after
that it was a champ)

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