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On 9/14/2008 7:14 PM John J spake thus:
David Nebenzahl wrote: On 9/14/2008 3:48 PM John J spake thus: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Seriously, anyone have any comments on their film? I saw their ISO 100 color film in a store today. I probably should have bought it, but did not. (It wasn't a camera store). Who's film? I dunno; are you film? Oh, you meant "whose film"? No, no! Who's on first base. What's on second. -- Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral. - Paulo Freire |
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Richard Knoppow wrote:
Lucky is Chinese, they have a factory. I have heard rumors that Kodak co-operated in setting it up but I don't know for certain that its true. I suspect that they may have the QC problems that seem to plague Chinese manufactured goods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lucky_Film states that they started a partnership in 2003 with Kodak providing an emulsion making line for color film but then Kodak pulled out last year. Steve |
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Steven J Masta wrote: Richard Knoppow wrote: Lucky is Chinese, they have a factory. I have heard rumors that Kodak co-operated in setting it up but I don't know for certain that its true. I suspect that they may have the QC problems that seem to plague Chinese manufactured goods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lucky_Film states that they started a partnership in 2003 with Kodak providing an emulsion making line for color film but then Kodak pulled out last year. Steve Lucky was affiliated or part of Fujimoto a Japanese company. I have a brochure that shows the plant in Japan, with a clearly displayed "Lucky" on the tallest of buildings, in said brochure all the Fujimoto stuff enlargers etc were branded with Lucky on them. -- Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back. |
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"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... On 9/14/2008 3:39 PM Peter Irwin spake thus: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Seriously, anyone have any comments on their film? I saw their ISO 100 color film in a store today. I probably should have bought it, but did not. (It wasn't a camera store). The film base is very clear, not grey. Grain is pretty fine, normal for a conventional 100 speed film - much finer than Svema 100. The emulsion seems to get scratch marks much more easily than modern capitalist films. I've never had a problem with Kodak, Ilford, Fuji or Agfa. Ah, comrade, if you're getting scratches, the problem is your capitalist camera, not the people's film. I think this is meant to have a smiley on it but seriously folks (as the man said) scratches CAN come from coating machine or spooling problems. Some eastern European films had this problem. Lack of hardness of the protective overcoating may also contribute but I very strongly suspect this is a coating problem. -- -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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"Peter Irwin" wrote in message ... Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Seriously, anyone have any comments on their film? I saw their ISO 100 color film in a store today. I probably should have bought it, but did not. (It wasn't a camera store). Is their black and white film any good? Is it worth persuing? I bought 10 rolls of Lucky SHD-100 B&W film a few years ago. The best thing about the film is that it came in reloadable 135 magazines which are better than the ones I've seen for sale lately. They might even be as good as the ones Kodak used to have before they started crimping the ends. These are well made and they come apart nicely in the darkroom when I give the knob a firm tap on the table. (The ones from Maco are not nearly as nice.) The film base is very clear, not grey. Grain is pretty fine, normal for a conventional 100 speed film - much finer than Svema 100. The emulsion seems to get scratch marks much more easily than modern capitalist films. I've never had a problem with Kodak, Ilford, Fuji or Agfa. Peter. -- If you are referring to 35mm B&W film being on a clear base it may be that Lucky is coating an anti-halation coating under the emulsion. This is common on color transparency films. The location of the coating makes it function as an anti-light-piping coating as well eliminating the need for pigmenting the support. I am quite sure the Chinese have the technology to make good film but it requires a level of QC which I don't see in most Chinese manufactured products. Maybe Lucky is different. -- -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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"Richard Knoppow" schrieb:
"Peter Irwin" wrote in message The film base is very clear, not grey. If you are referring to 35mm B&W film being on a clear base it may be that Lucky is coating an anti-halation coating under the emulsion. They are not. And it´s the main flaw I found with these films. The location of the coating makes it function as an anti-light-piping coating as well eliminating the need for pigmenting the support. A friend of mine demonstrated that you could read a newspaper through the undeveloped film Worse is the photographic result - the lack of a anti-halation coating (AHU) contributes to halos and an overall unsharp appearance of the negativ under certain lighting conditions - like with a glaring piece of chrome or metal or the sun within the frame. Kodak pulled out of the Joint venture with Lucky some time ago. Gruss, Roman -- "An MDCCCXII/Mémorable par la campagne contre les Russes/ Sous le préfectura de Jules Doazan." "Vu et approuvé par nous commandant russe de la ville de Coblentz/ le 1er janvier 1814." |
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On 9/16/2008 5:39 AM Roman J. Rohleder spake thus:
"Richard Knoppow" schrieb: If you are referring to 35mm B&W film being on a clear base it may be that Lucky is coating an anti-halation coating under the emulsion. They are not. And it´s the main flaw I found with these films. The location of the coating makes it function as an anti-light-piping coating as well eliminating the need for pigmenting the support. A friend of mine demonstrated that you could read a newspaper through the undeveloped film Worse is the photographic result - the lack of a anti-halation coating (AHU) contributes to halos and an overall unsharp appearance of the negativ under certain lighting conditions - like with a glaring piece of chrome or metal or the sun within the frame. Hmm; sounds like while the film may not be good for typical pictoral rendition, it might be suitable for arty shots that exploit such flaws. Would be interesting to see what the results are shooting such a scene with bright spots. -- Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral. - Paulo Freire |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
Hmm; sounds like while the film may not be good for typical pictoral rendition, it might be suitable for arty shots that exploit such flaws. Would be interesting to see what the results are shooting such a scene with bright spots. I was thinking that too. If I wanted a shot that looked like a digital shot, I would use a digital camera. I for one, want the "look" of film, and if this gave me an interesting look, I'd want to try it. That's why I loved Ektar 25, it portrayed the late afternoon November light in Philly far better than anything else. Here the light is always that sharp and clear, and I miss it. If the Lucky film would do something interesting with highlights, I'd love to try it. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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Michael wrote:
Two things. First, Kodak is reintroducing Ektar film next month as ISO 100 and the Ultra line will be deep sixed. They claim it is a legitimate descendant of the old Ektar films including 25. Thanks, that's why I brought it up. We've discussed this and I stated my love of it before they announced it. I'm saving my pennies for it as soon as it gets here, if it does. Second, is the Lucky of Lucky film any relation to the Lucky of "Lucky Goldstar" aka LG of electronics fame? No. LG is a Korean Company. Lucky is Chinese and totaly unrelated. http://221.194.46.195/eng/index.html Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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