Agfapan 25

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: "Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote:

: I'm sure Kodak could make a T-Max 25 if they wanted to
:
: They don't want to.

: Agreed

: If enough folks used TP to make it wildly popular then they would.
:
: We have only ourselves to blame for TP's (and K25's) demise.
:

: I don't know if I agree there. I never read anywhere that Kodak claimed they
: weren't making a reasonable margin on the film, but that some of the ingredients
: became "obsolete". Often suppliers make concious decisions to pull out of
: profitable products for some sort of streamlining objective or even for
: political/union issues. There has been some discussion that Kodak and other film
: makes are poised to release a whole new generation of film products that would
: blow TP away. The theory goes that this new "generation" of products has already
: been developed and has yet to be manufactured. I find this hard to believe.
: What I find easier to believe is outfits like the makers of Gigabit, Bluefire
: Police and other microfilm stocks moving into the TP market and making a whole
: lot of money. I would be happy with this if they would just produce it in a 120
: size.

The reason that Kodak dropped the film was they weren't selling enough of it to make
it worth their while to make it work with a new base.
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Tom Phillips wrote:

wrote:

I'm still reeling from the Kodak Tech Pan decision as I'm sure many of
you are. I've been doing a small stocking up but of course an
alternative would be better than stuffing my freezer with film. I've
seen that Agfa makes a 25 speed B&W film for the Minox format. If this
film were to be produced in 35mm and/or 120, how good of a substitute
would it be for Tech Pan. Also, is it any good to begin with?
Thanks

There simply is no substitute for Tech Pan. There is
no film that is it's equal. No conventional film can
match the granularity of Tech Pan. Tech Pan, as opposed
to other pictorial films, had an emulsion composed of
silver halide crystals nearly all the same size. This is
what gave it both it's exceptionally fine grain and high
contrast characteristics. A POTA developer was thus the
only developer that could produce normal contrast.

APX 25 was a good film, but also grainier, since as a
conventional pictorial film it contained a mix of both
larger and small crystals.

A t-grain film is probably about as close as you'll
come, but can't equal Tech Pan.

Frankly, I'm not looking for a film with the same "look" as Tech Pan, but
just with the same granularity. I'm sure Kodak could make a T-Max 25 if they
wanted to, but they're not about to do that, so I have to scrounge around
other makes to find something similar. TMX to me has visibly more grain than
Tech Pan .

I've always used it with rodinal, which isn't exactly a fine
grained developer. But the t grain still remains pretty fine
in large format. D76 or Microdol-X should give pretty fine
grain with TMX 35mm.

Andrew Price wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 00:27:29 GMT, "no-name"
wrote:

Agfa will not re-commence making Agfapan 25. The best substitute for it is
Maco UP25, which should continue to be available for the forseeable future.

Efke 25 isn't bad, either.

Maco 25 and Efke 25 are the same film made in Croatia by Fotokemika.
Efke packages their 25 film for Maco in Maco boxes at their factory.

In addition, Maco UP64+ is Efke 50 and Maco UP100+ is Efke 100.

Maco has no coating facilities, all of their films and papers are made
by other firms. The Maco Infrared, Ort 25, PO100, TP64, and Genius
films are also made for them by Fotokemika (Efke).