Skateboarding

On 9/6/2016 9:10 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:42:07 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2016-09-07 00:06:15 +0000, RichA said:

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:05:47 UTC-4, android wrote:
In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

The plan was to go the skateboard park and try the steps Eric used,
but the weather didn't cooperate. I shot a series using Shutter
Priority, ISO 400, f/11, 1/400th, AF-Release, 51 point (3D-Tracking)
with my Nikon D300 and Tamron 18/270. I wanted some captures before I
tried back-button. Shot at about 11:30 AM.

But, then, the skies opened up with a torrential rain. It's dry now,
but the rain lasted about an hour. Once again, I'm draining the
swimming pool because with today's and the recent rains the water is
slurping over the deck.

This skateboard park is rather wimpy, but it's the only one I know
about. There's supposed to be a better one a few miles away, but the
project has been canceled for the day. I'd like to find one with a
bowl and higher ramps.

My "model" was a nice kid who agreed to change his normal direction so
I could have the trees as his background. He'd been on another ramp
where the background would have been less desirable.

The interesting thing was another kid had been photographing his
friend using his phone. He heard me ask my model to use the other
ramp so the trees would provide a better background, looked at my
images, and then had his friend change directions commenting that the
trees made the better background. A budding young photographer.

The ramps have steel plate surfaces that reflect light upwards. It
tends to wash out the images.

The last photo shows one of those scooters that was used in Eric's
photos. The boy using that couldn't get any air, so I didn't use any
shots with him on the ramp.

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Skateboarding/

Pictures of them are exceedingly DULL. They hold NO interest, for me
anyway. Why not leave them to the HERO-cam crowd?

I guess you missed the point of those shots.
Tony was experimenting with AF-C and 3D Tracking with his D300 before
trying back-button focus for action shots, just as Eric was doing with
his D750.

He also misses the point that they are a series of the same run shot
using Continuous mode. Image 2015-09-05-84 is not bad as an action
photograph.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Skateboar...9-05-84-X2.jpg

The rest, though, are the captures before and after that photo. The
finger remained on the shutter release for all of the photos in the
series.


Somewhat rhetorical:
What matters more, the photograph or how it was captured?

==
Later...
Ron C
--

On 2016-09-07 02:18:11 +0000, Ron C said:

On 9/6/2016 9:10 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:42:07 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2016-09-07 00:06:15 +0000, RichA said:
On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:05:47 UTC-4, android wrote:
In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

The plan was to go the skateboard park and try the steps Eric used,
but the weather didn't cooperate. I shot a series using Shutter
Priority, ISO 400, f/11, 1/400th, AF-Release, 51 point (3D-Tracking)
with my Nikon D300 and Tamron 18/270. I wanted some captures before I
tried back-button. Shot at about 11:30 AM.

But, then, the skies opened up with a torrential rain. It's dry now,
but the rain lasted about an hour. Once again, I'm draining the
swimming pool because with today's and the recent rains the water is
slurping over the deck.

This skateboard park is rather wimpy, but it's the only one I know
about. There's supposed to be a better one a few miles away, but the
project has been canceled for the day. I'd like to find one with a
bowl and higher ramps.

My "model" was a nice kid who agreed to change his normal direction so
I could have the trees as his background. He'd been on another ramp
where the background would have been less desirable.

The interesting thing was another kid had been photographing his
friend using his phone. He heard me ask my model to use the other
ramp so the trees would provide a better background, looked at my
images, and then had his friend change directions commenting that the
trees made the better background. A budding young photographer.

The ramps have steel plate surfaces that reflect light upwards. It
tends to wash out the images.

The last photo shows one of those scooters that was used in Eric's
photos. The boy using that couldn't get any air, so I didn't use any
shots with him on the ramp.

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Skateboarding/

Pictures of them are exceedingly DULL. They hold NO interest, for me
anyway. Why not leave them to the HERO-cam crowd?

I guess you missed the point of those shots.
Tony was experimenting with AF-C and 3D Tracking with his D300 before
trying back-button focus for action shots, just as Eric was doing with
his D750.

He also misses the point that they are a series of the same run shot
using Continuous mode. Image 2015-09-05-84 is not bad as an action
photograph.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Skateboar...9-05-84-X2.jpg

The rest, though, are the captures before and after that photo. The
finger remained on the shutter release for all of the photos in the
series.


Somewhat rhetorical:
What matters more, the photograph or how it was captured?

One doesn't exist without the other.
If the "how it was captured" isn't perfected through honed techique,
then the photograph is mostly a magificent accident, perhaps ever to be
repeated.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:06:15 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:05:47 UTC-4, android wrote:
In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

The plan was to go the skateboard park and try the steps Eric used,
but the weather didn't cooperate. I shot a series using Shutter
Priority, ISO 400, f/11, 1/400th, AF-Release, 51 point (3D-Tracking)
with my Nikon D300 and Tamron 18/270. I wanted some captures before I
tried back-button. Shot at about 11:30 AM.

But, then, the skies opened up with a torrential rain. It's dry now,
but the rain lasted about an hour. Once again, I'm draining the
swimming pool because with today's and the recent rains the water is
slurping over the deck.

This skateboard park is rather wimpy, but it's the only one I know
about. There's supposed to be a better one a few miles away, but the
project has been canceled for the day. I'd like to find one with a
bowl and higher ramps.

My "model" was a nice kid who agreed to change his normal direction so
I could have the trees as his background. He'd been on another ramp
where the background would have been less desirable.

The interesting thing was another kid had been photographing his
friend using his phone. He heard me ask my model to use the other
ramp so the trees would provide a better background, looked at my
images, and then had his friend change directions commenting that the
trees made the better background. A budding young photographer.

The ramps have steel plate surfaces that reflect light upwards. It
tends to wash out the images.

The last photo shows one of those scooters that was used in Eric's
photos. The boy using that couldn't get any air, so I didn't use any
shots with him on the ramp.

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Skateboarding/

Pictures of them are exceedingly DULL. They hold NO interest, for me anyway. Why not leave them to the HERO-cam crowd?

They were focussing trials with no attempt at art.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 9/6/2016 10:43 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 22:18:11 -0400, Ron C wrote:

On 9/6/2016 9:10 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:42:07 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2016-09-07 00:06:15 +0000, RichA said:

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:05:47 UTC-4, android wrote:
In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

The plan was to go the skateboard park and try the steps Eric used,
but the weather didn't cooperate. I shot a series using Shutter
Priority, ISO 400, f/11, 1/400th, AF-Release, 51 point (3D-Tracking)
with my Nikon D300 and Tamron 18/270. I wanted some captures before I
tried back-button. Shot at about 11:30 AM.

But, then, the skies opened up with a torrential rain. It's dry now,
but the rain lasted about an hour. Once again, I'm draining the
swimming pool because with today's and the recent rains the water is
slurping over the deck.

This skateboard park is rather wimpy, but it's the only one I know
about. There's supposed to be a better one a few miles away, but the
project has been canceled for the day. I'd like to find one with a
bowl and higher ramps.

My "model" was a nice kid who agreed to change his normal direction so
I could have the trees as his background. He'd been on another ramp
where the background would have been less desirable.

The interesting thing was another kid had been photographing his
friend using his phone. He heard me ask my model to use the other
ramp so the trees would provide a better background, looked at my
images, and then had his friend change directions commenting that the
trees made the better background. A budding young photographer.

The ramps have steel plate surfaces that reflect light upwards. It
tends to wash out the images.

The last photo shows one of those scooters that was used in Eric's
photos. The boy using that couldn't get any air, so I didn't use any
shots with him on the ramp.

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Skateboarding/

Pictures of them are exceedingly DULL. They hold NO interest, for me
anyway. Why not leave them to the HERO-cam crowd?

I guess you missed the point of those shots.
Tony was experimenting with AF-C and 3D Tracking with his D300 before
trying back-button focus for action shots, just as Eric was doing with
his D750.

He also misses the point that they are a series of the same run shot
using Continuous mode. Image 2015-09-05-84 is not bad as an action
photograph.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Skateboar...9-05-84-X2.jpg

The rest, though, are the captures before and after that photo. The
finger remained on the shutter release for all of the photos in the
series.


Somewhat rhetorical:
What matters more, the photograph or how it was captured?

Normally, the photograph. However, we do learn how to capture better
photographs by exploring the features of our cameras. That's what
this was all about: exploring features.

I intended to perform an exercise in using the back-button focus, but
the rain stopped the exercise before I could get around to that. I
did use a setting a don't normally use: AF-C, 51-point focus, and 3D
tracking.

So, I posted what I did get from the shortened exercise.


I don't care about all the talk about technicalities. The photos looked
good to me and I'm glad you took them. In my younger days I liked to
shoot candidly and enjoyed it tremendously. More power to you.

In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:06:15 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:05:47 UTC-4, android wrote:
In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

The plan was to go the skateboard park and try the steps Eric used,
but the weather didn't cooperate. I shot a series using Shutter
Priority, ISO 400, f/11, 1/400th, AF-Release, 51 point (3D-Tracking)
with my Nikon D300 and Tamron 18/270. I wanted some captures before I
tried back-button. Shot at about 11:30 AM.

But, then, the skies opened up with a torrential rain. It's dry now,
but the rain lasted about an hour. Once again, I'm draining the
swimming pool because with today's and the recent rains the water is
slurping over the deck.

This skateboard park is rather wimpy, but it's the only one I know
about. There's supposed to be a better one a few miles away, but the
project has been canceled for the day. I'd like to find one with a
bowl and higher ramps.

My "model" was a nice kid who agreed to change his normal direction so
I could have the trees as his background. He'd been on another ramp
where the background would have been less desirable.

The interesting thing was another kid had been photographing his
friend using his phone. He heard me ask my model to use the other
ramp so the trees would provide a better background, looked at my
images, and then had his friend change directions commenting that the
trees made the better background. A budding young photographer.

The ramps have steel plate surfaces that reflect light upwards. It
tends to wash out the images.

The last photo shows one of those scooters that was used in Eric's
photos. The boy using that couldn't get any air, so I didn't use any
shots with him on the ramp.

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Skateboarding/

Pictures of them are exceedingly DULL. They hold NO interest, for me
anyway. Why not leave them to the HERO-cam crowd?

I'm crushed! The whole point of posting that series was to entertain
you.

Have you considered getting a HC? You might be able to impress RichA
with it!
--
teleportation kills

In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:10:50 +0200, android wrote:

In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:06:15 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 01:05:47 UTC-4, android wrote:
In article ,
Tony Cooper wrote:

The plan was to go the skateboard park and try the steps Eric used,
but the weather didn't cooperate. I shot a series using Shutter
Priority, ISO 400, f/11, 1/400th, AF-Release, 51 point (3D-Tracking)
with my Nikon D300 and Tamron 18/270. I wanted some captures before I
tried back-button. Shot at about 11:30 AM.

But, then, the skies opened up with a torrential rain. It's dry now,
but the rain lasted about an hour. Once again, I'm draining the
swimming pool because with today's and the recent rains the water is
slurping over the deck.

This skateboard park is rather wimpy, but it's the only one I know
about. There's supposed to be a better one a few miles away, but the
project has been canceled for the day. I'd like to find one with a
bowl and higher ramps.

My "model" was a nice kid who agreed to change his normal direction so
I could have the trees as his background. He'd been on another ramp
where the background would have been less desirable.

The interesting thing was another kid had been photographing his
friend using his phone. He heard me ask my model to use the other
ramp so the trees would provide a better background, looked at my
images, and then had his friend change directions commenting that the
trees made the better background. A budding young photographer.

The ramps have steel plate surfaces that reflect light upwards. It
tends to wash out the images.

The last photo shows one of those scooters that was used in Eric's
photos. The boy using that couldn't get any air, so I didn't use any
shots with him on the ramp.

https://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Skateboarding/

Pictures of them are exceedingly DULL. They hold NO interest, for me
anyway. Why not leave them to the HERO-cam crowd?

I'm crushed! The whole point of posting that series was to entertain
you.

Have you considered getting a HC? You might be able to impress RichA
with it!

I was going to, but all I could find were plastic ones.

Oki... That's a no go then...
--
teleportation kills

On 09/07/2016 01:00 AM, tconway wrote:
On 9/6/2016 10:43 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 22:18:11 -0400, Ron C wrote:
snip


Somewhat rhetorical:
What matters more, the photograph or how it was captured?

Normally, the photograph. However, we do learn how to capture better
photographs by exploring the features of our cameras. That's what
this was all about: exploring features.

I intended to perform an exercise in using the back-button focus, but
the rain stopped the exercise before I could get around to that. I
did use a setting a don't normally use: AF-C, 51-point focus, and 3D
tracking.

So, I posted what I did get from the shortened exercise.


I don't care about all the talk about technicalities. The photos looked
good to me and I'm glad you took them. In my younger days I liked to
shoot candidly and enjoyed it tremendously. More power to you.


You need to have some concern about the technicalities.

In my younger days, we had a focus ring, zoom ring, f/stop ring, shutter
speed dial, and film with an ASA (now ISO) pre-determined, and we liked it!

Now, you scroll through a menu of focus points, tracking, ISO, color
balance, etc. By the time you have the camera set to take a photo of
your baby, he's graduating college!

The more familiar you are with the camera's features, the more quickly
you can have the camera ready for action. And the more likely you are to
get a good result instead of a magnificent accident.

--
Ken Hart

On 9/6/2016 3:16 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:


The kid I photographed is technically breaking Florida law. In
Florida, anyone under the age of 16 is required to wear a helmet when
riding on a motorcycle or bicycle or using a skateboard or
rollerblades. It is probably a law more enforced by Mommies than the
police.

what's the florida law about failure to report someone else breaking
the law?


Hopefully there will never be such a law, in any US jurisdiction. If you
see a criminal act being committed and don't report it, or try to stop
the act, that is a morality issue, not a legal one.



--
PeterN

On 9/6/2016 4:15 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-09-06 07:42:34 +0000, android said:

In article ,
nospam wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:


The kid I photographed is technically breaking Florida law. In
Florida, anyone under the age of 16 is required to wear a helmet when
riding on a motorcycle or bicycle or using a skateboard or
rollerblades. It is probably a law more enforced by Mommies than the
police.

what's the florida law about failure to report someone else breaking
the law?

This is obviously a case for the Duck. Can't he perform a digital
citizens arrest over the net? He used to carry a badge, you know...

I was a California Peace Officer, now retired. I have as much standing
in Florida as any other citizen. As for failure to report what would
probably be a Florida Vehicle Code violation, which is probably not even
at a misdemeanor level, I doubt that Tony has any need for concern
regarding arrest.

The only area where there is a mandatory requirement for reporting a
crime is usually for child abuse crimes. Those held responsible for that
mandatory reporting requirement are typically professionals that engage
in regular contact with children. Examples of such are daycare workers,
EMTs, Hospital personnel, teachers & teacher's aides, etc. There are
States where there is no list of mandatory reporters, in those States
anyone and everyone who knows or suspects that child abuse has occurred
is required by Law to make a report. The Law has variations in all the
States.
https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf

So since Florida has a helmet regulation, and the kids on the
skateboards are minors, it is the parents who are responsible for
threatening their safety by not ensuring they had appropriate protective
gear. Tony's photography is documenting the parental abuse of those
kiddies.


Wasn't there z fair amount of abuse of that in CA?


--
PeterN

On 2016-09-09 23:09:56 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:03:36 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 9/6/2016 4:15 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-09-06 07:42:34 +0000, android said:

In article ,
nospam wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:


The kid I photographed is technically breaking Florida law. In
Florida, anyone under the age of 16 is required to wear a helmet when
riding on a motorcycle or bicycle or using a skateboard or
rollerblades. It is probably a law more enforced by Mommies than the
police.

what's the florida law about failure to report someone else breaking
the law?

This is obviously a case for the Duck. Can't he perform a digital
citizens arrest over the net? He used to carry a badge, you know...

I was a California Peace Officer, now retired. I have as much standing
in Florida as any other citizen. As for failure to report what would
probably be a Florida Vehicle Code violation, which is probably not even
at a misdemeanor level, I doubt that Tony has any need for concern
regarding arrest.

The only area where there is a mandatory requirement for reporting a
crime is usually for child abuse crimes. Those held responsible for that
mandatory reporting requirement are typically professionals that engage
in regular contact with children. Examples of such are daycare workers,
EMTs, Hospital personnel, teachers & teacher's aides, etc. There are
States where there is no list of mandatory reporters, in those States
anyone and everyone who knows or suspects that child abuse has occurred
is required by Law to make a report. The Law has variations in all the
States.
https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf

So since Florida has a helmet regulation, and the kids on the
skateboards are minors, it is the parents who are responsible for
threatening their safety by not ensuring they had appropriate protective
gear. Tony's photography is documenting the parental abuse of those
kiddies.

I'm surprised that the Duck would write this. The parents may have
provided the necessary protective gear. The only thing that is
evident in the photographs is that the kid isn't wearing protective
gear. That doesn't tell you whether or not the protective gear has
been purchased and provided.

Did you actually think that part of my response was serious?

You might say that it was an ironic corollary to the first part of my
response regarding "mandatory reporters" in the various States.


Wasn't there z fair amount of abuse of that in CA?

I would guess that there has been a "fair amount of abuse of that" in
all 50 States.


--
Regards,

Savageduck