Agfa BW film expired in 1974; any sugestions how to shoot/process it?

A friend of mine bought a bunch of vintage photographic equipment from
estate sale.
In one of the bags, that he got with it we found this 120 BW film.
It is Agfa Isopan ISS, asa 100; stil in original packaging- looks quite
fresh ; )) I mean the box hasn't even faded and is bright orange. Its
expiration date is Jan '74 : D
I'd like to do some portraiture shots on it.
So, I guess it has lost it's speed, probably a few stops. I'm thinking I
should probably expose it at EI 25 at least, maybe even 15. Than... I guess
I'll put it through Rodinal(?) Not sure what dillusion.
Any suggestions on how to deal with this geriatric emulsion ?!?

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Eloman Toeski via PhotoKB.com wrote:
A friend of mine bought a bunch of vintage photographic equipment
from
estate sale.
In one of the bags, that he got with it we found this 120 BW film.
It is Agfa Isopan ISS, asa 100; stil in original packaging- looks
quite
fresh ; )) I mean the box hasn't even faded and is bright orange. Its
expiration date is Jan '74 : D
I'd like to do some portraiture shots on it.
So, I guess it has lost it's speed, probably a few stops. I'm
thinking I
should probably expose it at EI 25 at least, maybe even 15. Than... I
guess
I'll put it through Rodinal(?) Not sure what dillusion.
Any suggestions on how to deal with this geriatric emulsion ?!?

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Throw it away. Moron.

OK. Genius.

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OK. Genius.

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Eloman Toeski via PhotoKB.com wrote:
OK. Genius.

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It's bad. Throw the **** away.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:17:14 GMT, "Eloman Toeski via PhotoKB.com"
wrote:

A friend of mine bought a bunch of vintage photographic equipment from
estate sale.
In one of the bags, that he got with it we found this 120 BW film.
It is Agfa Isopan ISS, asa 100; stil in original packaging- looks quite
fresh ; )) I mean the box hasn't even faded and is bright orange. Its
expiration date is Jan '74 : D
I'd like to do some portraiture shots on it.
So, I guess it has lost it's speed, probably a few stops. I'm thinking I
should probably expose it at EI 25 at least, maybe even 15. Than... I guess
I'll put it through Rodinal(?) Not sure what dillusion.
Any suggestions on how to deal with this geriatric emulsion ?!?

Give it a stop more exposure; ASA50. Develop it in Rodinal at
recommended time, temp and dilution. Try the 1:50 first. You should
get somethig useful.

I assume this is just one roll and you're playing around.

Whatever don't listen to the jerk who tells you to throw it out. You
can't learn without experimenting.

Robert Vervoordt, MFA

Robert Vervoordt wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:17:14 GMT, "Eloman Toeski via PhotoKB.com"
wrote:

A friend of mine bought a bunch of vintage photographic equipment
from
estate sale.
In one of the bags, that he got with it we found this 120 BW film.
It is Agfa Isopan ISS, asa 100; stil in original packaging- looks
quite
fresh ; )) I mean the box hasn't even faded and is bright orange.
Its
expiration date is Jan '74 : D
I'd like to do some portraiture shots on it.
So, I guess it has lost it's speed, probably a few stops. I'm
thinking I
should probably expose it at EI 25 at least, maybe even 15. Than...
I guess
I'll put it through Rodinal(?) Not sure what dillusion.
Any suggestions on how to deal with this geriatric emulsion ?!?

Give it a stop more exposure; ASA50. Develop it in Rodinal at
recommended time, temp and dilution. Try the 1:50 first. You should
get somethig useful.

I assume this is just one roll and you're playing around.

Whatever don't listen to the jerk who tells you to throw it out. You
can't learn without experimenting.

Robert Vervoordt, MFA


Don't waste time on 30 year-old film. It's bad.

Robert Vervoordt wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 04:17:14 GMT, "Eloman Toeski via PhotoKB.com"
wrote:

A friend of mine bought a bunch of vintage photographic equipment
from
estate sale.
In one of the bags, that he got with it we found this 120 BW film.
It is Agfa Isopan ISS, asa 100; stil in original packaging- looks
quite
fresh ; )) I mean the box hasn't even faded and is bright orange.
Its
expiration date is Jan '74 : D
I'd like to do some portraiture shots on it.
So, I guess it has lost it's speed, probably a few stops. I'm
thinking I
should probably expose it at EI 25 at least, maybe even 15. Than...
I guess
I'll put it through Rodinal(?) Not sure what dillusion.
Any suggestions on how to deal with this geriatric emulsion ?!?

Give it a stop more exposure; ASA50. Develop it in Rodinal at
recommended time, temp and dilution. Try the 1:50 first. You should
get somethig useful.

I assume this is just one roll and you're playing around.

Whatever don't listen to the jerk who tells you to throw it out. You
can't learn without experimenting.

Robert Vervoordt, MFA



I guess that during your courses on your way to that 'MFA' of which you
are so proud, they neglected particle physics. Gamma rays (and other
factors) ruin film over time. That's why there's an expiration date on
the stuff.

On 2005-02-26 23:17:14 -0500, "Eloman Toeski via PhotoKB.com"
said:

A friend of mine bought a bunch of vintage photographic equipment from
estate sale.
In one of the bags, that he got with it we found this 120 BW film.
It is Agfa Isopan ISS, asa 100; stil in original packaging- looks quite
fresh ; )) I mean the box hasn't even faded and is bright orange. Its
expiration date is Jan '74 : D
I'd like to do some portraiture shots on it.
So, I guess it has lost it's speed, probably a few stops. I'm thinking I
should probably expose it at EI 25 at least, maybe even 15. Than... I guess
I'll put it through Rodinal(?) Not sure what dillusion.
Any suggestions on how to deal with this geriatric emulsion ?!?

What is the point? There is newer, better, cheaper B&W film that will
give you good images, which this will not. If the box is pretty put it
up on a display shelf or in a shadow box with other vintage stuff.
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Michael | "You're going to need a bigger boat."

Use the film if you want to. We are the experts in this field. We
process all types of antique and outdated film, and our current
overall success rate is 97.8%. We have recovered film from the
1920's, and offer 'old film+dev' packages for students and those who
want to experiment. It CAN work, like it or not. The aim of our
business is disproving the mistaken theory that old film should be
thrown away.

From the professionals who actually DO the job, film from 1974 can be
used and processed if desired, for experimental purposes. In fact,
one of our popular packages for students is E-4 roll film.

I would like to add one further note. We hardly ever post to this
group, even though we could offer a veritable amount of good advice on
film. This is because of those who seek to ruin the experience for
everyone else.

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