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rec.photo: live & let live
Dear Michael S.
All a person can do in any discussion group, AA meeting, or whatever, and still maintain their & the groups integrity is to offer their experience, their knowledge or opinion. For one to be honest, that is all they can do. Weather another person takes that advice or not is strictly up to the other person. If one makes photographs by mixing silver bromide in their home brewed fecal matter, and smearing it on 11x14 glass plates, and process it in a coffee developer, it's their organic right. I may find it amusing and might think they are a fecaphile. But so what? BFD. Personally I think a lot of your advice is quite good. But it's not your, or anyone else's place to try to impose their ideas on another. When you do that, you just raise the noise to signal ratio & burn up bandwidth. It's a good thing you don't participate in any SCUBA diving groups, because there one can make a half way decent argument that one divers actions can jeopardize others safety. But these are above the sea level photo groups, so no such group thinking needs to exists. This type of behavior reminds me of fundamentalist religions. When I escaped from Ohio & the Midwest to California in '66, I felt like I had died & gone to heaven, due to the live & let live attitude. It would make me very happy to keep more of that spirit @ rec.photo, John |
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"John McGraw" wrote in message om... Dear Michael S. All a person can do in any discussion group, AA meeting, or whatever, and still maintain their & the groups integrity is to offer their experience, their knowledge or opinion. [...] You get my vote for the strangest post of the year. |
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"jjs" wrote in message ... "John McGraw" wrote in message om... Dear Michael S. All a person can do in any discussion group, AA meeting, or whatever, and still maintain their & the groups integrity is to offer their experience, their knowledge or opinion. [...] You get my vote for the strangest post of the year. No, I am beginning to believe the only way to get rid of the irritation here is to ignore and not give him what he wants. I think it would be beneficial if you, Udie and I stop playing on his soapbox. Every time one of us give him what he wants (attention), then he has an audience. In the r.p.darkroom newsgroup he started two of the longest threads with as many tangents as possible in recent history. I was as responsible as anyone. I recommend the following. It'll only work with discipline and solidarity. We can answer a post to one of the weirdo's post, but we should strip his comments out. Only address the comment made by the "non-scar'd" one. It became obvious to me in a rather simple post over in r.p.film+labs when someone was having trouble understanding over/under exposure. I answered, Michael Covington answered and we both said the same thing basically. Nice to have two corresponding opinions. Three hours later along comes scar, and says the same thing. Why? Well it dawned on me. He likes seeing his posts. He likes the attention. We need to pull the soapbox out from under his feet. Oh and Udie, I'd rather draw and quarter. Jim |
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Jim Phelps wrote:
"jjs" wrote in message ... "John McGraw" wrote in message .com... Dear Michael S. All a person can do in any discussion group, AA meeting, or whatever, and still maintain their & the groups integrity is to offer their experience, their knowledge or opinion. [...] You get my vote for the strangest post of the year. No, I am beginning to believe the only way to get rid of the irritation here is to ignore and not give him what he wants. I think it would be beneficial if you, Udie and I stop playing on his soapbox. Every time one of us give him what he wants (attention), then he has an audience. In the r.p.darkroom newsgroup he started two of the longest threads with as many tangents as possible in recent history. I was as responsible as anyone. I recommend the following. It'll only work with discipline and solidarity. We can answer a post to one of the weirdo's post, but we should strip his comments out. Only address the comment made by the "non-scar'd" one. It became obvious to me in a rather simple post over in r.p.film+labs when someone was having trouble understanding over/under exposure. I answered, Michael Covington answered and we both said the same thing basically. Nice to have two corresponding opinions. Three hours later along comes scar, and says the same thing. Why? Well it dawned on me. He likes seeing his posts. He likes the attention. We need to pull the soapbox out from under his feet. Oh and Udie, I'd rather draw and quarter. Jim Agreed that "shunning" is the best way to deal with him. If he thinks he's being the newsgroup version of Don Rickles, he's missing it badly; if he's really as angry and sick as he appears, then we don't need to encourage or respond to him. |
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Sums it up pretty good Jim, I am up to the task.
In article , "Jim Phelps" wrote: No, I am beginning to believe the only way to get rid of the irritation here is to ignore and not give him what he wants. I think it would be beneficial if you, Udie and I stop playing on his soapbox. Every time one of us give him what he wants (attention), then he has an audience. In the r.p.darkroom newsgroup he started two of the longest threads with as many tangents as possible in recent history. I was as responsible as anyone. I recommend the following. It'll only work with discipline and solidarity. We can answer a post to one of the weirdo's post, but we should strip his comments out. Only address the comment made by the "non-scar'd" one. It became obvious to me in a rather simple post over in r.p.film+labs when someone was having trouble understanding over/under exposure. I answered, Michael Covington answered and we both said the same thing basically. Nice to have two corresponding opinions. Three hours later along comes scar, and says the same thing. Why? Well it dawned on me. He likes seeing his posts. He likes the attention. We need to pull the soapbox out from under his feet. Oh and Udie, I'd rather draw and quarter. Jim -- LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 |
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Gregory Blank wrote:
: Sums it up pretty good Jim, I am up to the task. Add me to the list. I have to admit for a while he was fun but that wore off a long time ago. He is in my virtual kill file and his posts will be removed from my replies. : In article , : "Jim Phelps" wrote: : No, I am beginning to believe the only way to get rid of the irritation here : is to ignore and not give him what he wants. I think it would be beneficial : if you, Udie and I stop playing on his soapbox. Every time one of us give : him what he wants (attention), then he has an audience. In the r.p.darkroom : newsgroup he started two of the longest threads with as many tangents as : possible in recent history. I was as responsible as anyone. : : I recommend the following. It'll only work with discipline and solidarity. : We can answer a post to one of the weirdo's post, but we should strip his : comments out. Only address the comment made by the "non-scar'd" one. : : It became obvious to me in a rather simple post over in r.p.film+labs when : someone was having trouble understanding over/under exposure. I answered, : Michael Covington answered and we both said the same thing basically. Nice : to have two corresponding opinions. Three hours later along comes scar, and : says the same thing. Why? Well it dawned on me. He likes seeing his : posts. He likes the attention. We need to pull the soapbox out from under : his feet. : : Oh and Udie, I'd rather draw and quarter. : : Jim : -- : LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank : "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, : or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, : is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable : to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 -- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- |
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Gregory Blank wrote:
: Sums it up pretty good Jim, I am up to the task. Add me to the list. I have to admit for a while he was fun but that wore off a long time ago. He is in my virtual kill file and his posts will be removed from my replies. : In article , : "Jim Phelps" wrote: : No, I am beginning to believe the only way to get rid of the irritation here : is to ignore and not give him what he wants. I think it would be beneficial : if you, Udie and I stop playing on his soapbox. Every time one of us give : him what he wants (attention), then he has an audience. In the r.p.darkroom : newsgroup he started two of the longest threads with as many tangents as : possible in recent history. I was as responsible as anyone. : : I recommend the following. It'll only work with discipline and solidarity. : We can answer a post to one of the weirdo's post, but we should strip his : comments out. Only address the comment made by the "non-scar'd" one. : : It became obvious to me in a rather simple post over in r.p.film+labs when : someone was having trouble understanding over/under exposure. I answered, : Michael Covington answered and we both said the same thing basically. Nice : to have two corresponding opinions. Three hours later along comes scar, and : says the same thing. Why? Well it dawned on me. He likes seeing his : posts. He likes the attention. We need to pull the soapbox out from under : his feet. : : Oh and Udie, I'd rather draw and quarter. : : Jim : -- : LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank : "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, : or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, : is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable : to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 -- Keep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- |
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Thanks for the support. I knew I could count on you all.
And, BTW, I have recently (after lurking for soooo long in envy) joined the ranks of LF'ers. I'm waiting delivery of a Cambo 540, 4X5 with a Fujinon 135 lens I bought from KEH this week. Pack of T-Max 100 arrived today (along with several packs of TP), so the flow of questions will start as soon as I get my hands on it. Soon as the budget swells back to life I'll start getting other accoutrements and more and different types of film to play with. Looking forward to my first tray processing session, but only contacts prints for now (the enlarger is one of the other accoutrements). Jim |
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Jim Phelps wrote:
Thanks for the support. I knew I could count on you all. And, BTW, I have recently (after lurking for soooo long in envy) joined the ranks of LF'ers. I'm waiting delivery of a Cambo 540, 4X5 with a Fujinon 135 lens I bought from KEH this week. Pack of T-Max 100 arrived today (along with several packs of TP), so the flow of questions will start as soon as I get my hands on it. Soon as the budget swells back to life I'll start getting other accoutrements and more and different types of film to play with. Looking forward to my first tray processing session, but only contacts prints for now (the enlarger is one of the other accoutrements). Jim Jim, if you haven't tried it yet, be sure to spend the $20 for the Photographer's Formular traditional cyanotype kit. I've got one, and though I haven't done anything with the arrowroot starch (for sizing unsized paper), I've been pretty happy with at least some of the prints I've made; when I have a negative with the right contrast, and combine with using or not using contrast enhancer (potassium dichromate solution) in the sensitizing mixture, I get very nice prints with exposures around five minutes in midday direct sun. Best part is, they don't require a dark room; you can sensitize and dry the paper under incandescent room light (though dimmer is better, given enough light to see what you're doing), load the paper and negative into a contact printing frame, and then proceed out into the sun for a few minutes (or leave the frame a few inches from a fluorescent light overnight, but I prefer sunshine). If you don't like the dark blue color, tone the dried print in cold, strong black tea for an hour or two to turn the print to a dark eggplant or almost neutral black, depending on length of toning, while highlights go very slightly tan. You don't need Arches Platine, either, though I won't quibble that it might be the best; I've gotten good results from Malay-made watercolor paper I got in a comb bound pad of fifteen sheets, 7x10 inch size, at Fred Meyer (basically a combination grocery and hardware store), in the one-aisle art supplies department. Prints from 9x12 cm are just a nice 3x4ish size, similar to the prints I used to get from the drug store when I was a young teen in the early 1970s. -- I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz! -- E. J. Fudd, 1954 Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer Lathe Building Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. |
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"Donald Qualls" wrote in message . com... Thanks for the tip. I may give it a try once I get the camera figured out. |
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