HOYA SWALLOWS PENTAX !

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:25:13 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

In addition, the armed citizen still acts as the best limit to the abuse
of citizens by the government.

Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving
handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot
him? What on earth are you talking about?

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:30:17 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

Yeah. And it's only words, anyway. America isn't strong because of
the Constitution. It's strong because of abundant resources. Cheap
labour (often from people the Constitution didn't seem to apply to)
helped too.

Again, your eyes are closed. Check out countries like Brazil, or
Mexico. Vast, untapped, resources, people willing to work, yet are then
world leaders?

Too hot. The nearer to the equator, the less gets done.

And no huge advantage of starting from scratch only a few hundred
years ago with vigorous immigrant stock. Some of whom, remember,
immediately formed communities dedicated to severely restricting
everyone's individual freedoms on religious grounds.

But not, I'm afraid, the lack of a Constitution.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:05:32 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

searched.....Do the airlines have the right to force their customers to give
up their 4th amendment rights? And, if not, then why not?


Forced? In what way. One can always just walk away from that search.

And many, by doing so, would also be walking away from a job.

Blanket searches are done all the time; stationary traffic radar
searches each vehicle to see if the driver is speeding. DUI
checkpoints search each vehicle for drivers driving impaired. Just two
examples that have been upheld by courts.

--
The Coney Island Polar Bear
Club hosted its annual New
Year's Day swim in the frigid
waters off New York City Monday.
It wasn't completely successful.
Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
came out of the water just as
drunk as when they went in.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:39:54 +0000, Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 09:48:09 -0800, Ken Lucke
wrote:

Ever heard of the 4th amendment?

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Not terribly useful today, is it. So shall we stop hiding behind that
one?

If you're a US citizen, I sincerely hope you don't vote.

--
The Coney Island Polar Bear
Club hosted its annual New
Year's Day swim in the frigid
waters off New York City Monday.
It wasn't completely successful.
Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
came out of the water just as
drunk as when they went in.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:11:24 +0000, Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:55:59 -0700, Bill Funk
wrote:

The pressure differential at 30K feet would only be 8 psi at the most.
A hole 50 square inches would be a total pressure of 400 pounds. Even
that much pressure would force a body through a hole 7 inches square.
And no hand-held firearm would punch a hole that size into an airliner
cabin. I can't see any non-explosive method of doing that without
drawing a lot of attention to the effort.


You sure about that math? Or did you mean "wouldn't"?

You're right, that should have been "wouldn't."
I hate it whan that happens.

--
The Coney Island Polar Bear
Club hosted its annual New
Year's Day swim in the frigid
waters off New York City Monday.
It wasn't completely successful.
Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
came out of the water just as
drunk as when they went in.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:35:52 -0500, Pudentame
wrote:

Who was the ejected pax? A child or full-size adult?


Christ! Do some fu&%^ Google of your own!

Gee, I'm sorry.
You seemed to have some knowledge of the cited event.
Obviously, I was wrong.

--
The Coney Island Polar Bear
Club hosted its annual New
Year's Day swim in the frigid
waters off New York City Monday.
It wasn't completely successful.
Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
came out of the water just as
drunk as when they went in.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:12:18 -0800, Ken Lucke
wrote:

More likely steel-jacketed, teflon coated, pierce anything cartridges....

Nope. First two clips (10mm, S&W 1076) are loaded with Silvertip
Glasers (or equivalent) 3 up then 4 hydroshocks to follow. In-chamber
round is always a Silvertip Glaser (or equivalent). Third & fourth
clips are hydroshocks & fmj [respecitvely], just in case.

I'm not interested in penetrating car doors, I'm interested in putting
the bad guy down. Permanently. I'll take glasers or the equivalent
any day for doing that at the close range I'm probably ever going to
need them at. I've seen the difference in body damage one can make.
Longer range, I'd have time to switch clips while ducking behind
something.

Are you planning on taking on the Triad all by yourself?

--
The Coney Island Polar Bear
Club hosted its annual New
Year's Day swim in the frigid
waters off New York City Monday.
It wasn't completely successful.
Paris Hilton and Britney Spears
came out of the water just as
drunk as when they went in.

In article , Bill Funk
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:12:18 -0800, Ken Lucke
wrote:

More likely steel-jacketed, teflon coated, pierce anything cartridges....

Nope. First two clips (10mm, S&W 1076) are loaded with Silvertip
Glasers (or equivalent) 3 up then 4 hydroshocks to follow. In-chamber
round is always a Silvertip Glaser (or equivalent). Third & fourth
clips are hydroshocks & fmj [respecitvely], just in case.

I'm not interested in penetrating car doors, I'm interested in putting
the bad guy down. Permanently. I'll take glasers or the equivalent
any day for doing that at the close range I'm probably ever going to
need them at. I've seen the difference in body damage one can make.
Longer range, I'd have time to switch clips while ducking behind
something.

Are you planning on taking on the Triad all by yourself?

Naw, I'd need at leat one more clip for that =;^)

--
You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating
the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for
independence.
-- Charles A. Beard

Ken Lucke wrote:
In article , acl
wrote:

jeremy wrote:
mechanical build quality had deteriorated noticably. Just like new cars.
Better fuel economy and more amenities, at the expense of less sheet metal
and smaller overall size.

So, basically, you prefer cars with lots of sheet metal and large size?


Damn straight _I_ do. Sheet metal, true internal structure (not just
some flimsy suppoorts for the outer skin), and large size. I'd take
high strength composite fiber/plastics (NOT fiberglass!) if they ever
start making cars with them (oops, sorry, that was an inadvertent cue
for RichA to enter the thread with his obsession), but until then, I
want METAL around me. The more the better.

Ever seen a serious wreck? Ever been in one?

From 1979 to 1996, I worked as a professional, full time paramedic (in
Portland, OR and other places), and the last 6 years was also a
firefighter. I've _seen_ (and sometimes had to scrape up) the
difference in outcomes.

Sorry, but to hell with fuel economy... with the millions of people on
the road in this country who merely know "how to operate a motor
vehicle" as opposed to actually knowing how to _drive_ their vehicles
(and there is a HUGE difference between those two skillsets), I want a
tank around me, if possible. Again, damn straight I prefer a vehicle
with some substance to it rather than today's tin cans that a wrinkle
in the sheet metal causes major loss of body integrity and strength
(literally).


Aren't the lighter bodies designed to use crumple zones to reduce the
forces of impact upon the passengers by
absorbing the impact as opposed to the driver feeling 100% of the
impact (which would result in a higher percentage of injury) while
using a firm, non-flexible body on their car? Newer cars seem to have
better crash test ratings than older, not-so flexible cars.

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:25:13 -0600, Ron Hunter
wrote:

In addition, the armed citizen still acts as the best limit to the abuse
of citizens by the government.

Eh? So if taxes go up too much, you march on Washington waving
handguns? Or if your local sheriff gets above himself, you shoot
him? What on earth are you talking about?

yes, both have happened, and it is eXACTLY what was intended.