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Ron - Kodak guy
Roy G wrote:
"pjp" wrote in message ... Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000 SP4 & XP. NO 98SE etc. Is that correct? If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is to just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!! Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated. Update your operating system to XP. Windows 98 is obsolete and is a total pain in the arse to work with compared to XP. It is almost impossible to buy any hardware which you can be sure will work with 98. You might just be able to find a card reader which can be persuaded to work with 98, and that will be almost the only way you will be able to download photos from any Camera to your computer system. Get into the 21st Century, it is now almost 6 years old. Roy G While I agree that Win98 is far past its use life, it is NOT necessary (or advisable) to upgrade such an old, and underpowered machine to WinXP. It would be throwing good money after bad. In either case, it has NOTHING to do with the camera, which will work just find with Win98 and a card reader (should he be able to find a Win98 compatible one). |
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Hash: SHA1 pjp wrote: Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000 SP4 & XP. NO 98SE etc. Is that correct? If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is to just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!! Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated. NO! You might have to download the software, instead of using what is in the box. http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/downloads/dln_ekn032551.jhtml?operatingSystem=windows_98&dow nloadLanguage=en http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/downloads/dln_ekn032551.jhtml?operatingSystem=windows_98_se& downloadLanguage=en http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/downloads/dln_ekn032551.jhtml?downloadStep=s2&selectedDownlo ad=dln00007&operatingSystem=windows_98_se&selected Language=en&downloadLanguage=en -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFi4Wyu4tRirKTPYwRAiwkAJ4s1pGLAN/dt3IwCebBbtMDwMzdqQCfRC9H CpL7YcrF8KgS3CRrIVhvhx8= =sQwc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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pjp wrote:
Comments interspersed within ... "Roy G" wrote in message ... "pjp" wrote in message ... Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000 SP4 & XP. NO 98SE etc. Is that correct? If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is to just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!! Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated. Update your operating system to XP. Why, it adds no additional functionality and introduces a pile of extra bs. Shows that you know very little about either OS. Windows 98 is obsolete and is a total pain in the arse to work with compared to XP. Not true. It is almost impossible to buy any hardware which you can be sure will work with 98. Not true You might just be able to find a card reader which can be persuaded to work with 98, and that will be almost the only way you will be able to download photos from any Camera to your computer system. Not true, my Fuji S602Z and daughters "whatever" plus couple of mp3 players, three webcams etc. all work fine under 98SE If a USB driver that supports seeing external card readers as disk drives can be found, there will be problem using the camera's SD cards with the Win98 machine. Get into the 21st Century, it is now almost 6 years old. Oh I'm supposed to go out and buy Vista now so MS can **** me around even more with another level of "control". Geez, I gave up on Vax/VMS in the mid 80's because I loved a pc because it was Personal. Now it might as well be another mini/mainframe for it's restrictions. And never forget it's MS's own design that they're hacking as they go to make work. Grin. You have some problem with buying your OS? Roy G |
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Ron - Kodak guy
"pjp" wrote in message
... Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000 SP4 & XP. NO 98SE etc. Is that correct? If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is to just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!! Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated. I'll answer this as a person who has 98se computers at work and home, and as someone who's used Kodak cameras. Don't use the Kodak software. Use a card reader. Consider using XP. Really I hated it, for many reasons and many of the same reasons you do. But it handles pictures so much better than 98se that all my picture work is done on an XP box now. There really is a difference. Good programs for offloading and managing pictures like Adobe Photoshop Album or Picasa probably only run on XP. I was forced into XP. My old laptop was a win95, and it finally needed replacing, and all that was available was XP. Then I got a miniDV camcorder, then a DVD burner. Had a lot of fun, then got a "real" digital camera a couple of years later. I use 98se as my main computer at work, and still use my 98se at home for DTP and many other things, but not photography. Cameras that support 98se will haunt you in other ways. These are likely older models. In digital photography older means slower, slower startup speeds, longer shutter lag, longer waits between shots. Better to get or keep a newer camera and just use the card reader. Check the Sunday papers. Practically every week you can find an XP computer with built-in card readers in front for $399 or less. Think of it as a photography workstation. The pictures download so much faster, there really is a difference. Get a KVM switch and you can switch between your regular computer and your XP computer using the same keyboard, video monitor, and mouse. KVM switches are under $20 on ebay. An if you're ever going to do video, forget 98se. Good Luck! |
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Ron - Kodak guy
pjp wrote:
"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message ... "pjp" wrote: Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000 SP4 & XP. NO 98SE etc. Is that correct? If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is to just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!! Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated. You should say thank you to Kodak. The Windows 95 series of OSes are as bad as everything the Mac crazies say about them, and the NT series are as good as everything the Mac crazies say about Unix. Same ugly Windows face, but under the hood, completely different. Friends don't let friends use Windows 95/98/ME/SE David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan I'll say thanks to Kodak when they decide to throw in the OS for free that they demand be used. BS - I have all told 7 pc's networked in house. All can run XP but I only have it installed on one of them AND it's not the one that anyone uses to connect to the net. XP's as much if not more of a pain in the ass as any MS OS. BTW - and there's nothing I can do under XP I can't also do under 98SE that I've found to date (except not run products that basically demand XP). OH? Recover from a locked up user where a program has seized 100% of CPU time? How about running most of the current crop of software? How about maintaining security? XP is a vastly improved OS over the earlier ones from MS. It has its problems, but compared to Win9x version, it is heaven. My attitude is 'bunch of moronic robots, we should be demanding MS fix their damn buggy software by redesigning it and providing it gratis to those of us suckers enough to believe their hype in the first place. Instead the add patch onto patch onto patch to mask/hide the flaws in their basic design then at some point call it a new version so they can do it all again' |
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Ron - Kodak guy
ASAAR wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:23:19 GMT, pjp wrote: I'll say thanks to Kodak when they decide to throw in the OS for free that they demand be used. BS - I have all told 7 pc's networked in house. All can run XP but I only have it installed on one of them AND it's not the one that anyone uses to connect to the net. XP's as much if not more of a pain in the ass as any MS OS. BTW - and there's nothing I can do under XP I can't also do under 98SE that I've found to date (except not run products that basically demand XP). I'm now using XP but before that used Win95 while using several Canon and Fuji cameras. The photo software provided by both companies was installed and quickly forgotten. I suspect that Kodak's software is no better, and if so, there's absolutely no reason to worry about using the C743 with your daughter's PIII because it's not needed as long as her computer can accommodate a card reader. Win98SE has long been the "minimum requirement" for adding USB support to older computers. My Win95 computer didn't have USB ports but it had two working card readers. A slow parallel port based reader and a very fast SCSI based reader. While it's possible that some facet of Kodak's photo software might be needed, it's highly unlikely. If you keep the C743 and eventually find that the included software won't install or operate properly, I'm sure that the C743 will still work just as well without it. I am sure everyone knows that I am a strong proponent of the Kodak line of cameras for 'average users', but I a NOT a fan of their software, which I find slow, cumbersome, and resource greedy. I would recommend a card reader be used to transfer photos to the computer, and whatever software the user likes best for further manipulation after the images are on HD. In short, the C743 (I have bought one for my wife), will work just as well without a computer at all, as it will with the latest XP models. If all else fails, you could take your cards to Sam's Club and get prints for about $.11 each, or transfer the images to a CD one someone else's XP machine. |
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Ron - Kodak guy
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"pjp" wrote in message ... Comments interspersed within ... "Roy G" wrote in message ... "pjp" wrote in message ... Update your operating system to XP. Why, it adds no additional functionality and introduces a pile of extra bs. Incorrect. The directory browser can easily display thumbnails, for photos and many other files. In 98se you have to select "View as Web Page" and see only one photo at a time. It also has built-in functionality for rotating pictures 90 degrees. This is important since good organizing software may not be available for win98. Windows 98 is obsolete and is a total pain in the arse to work with compared to XP. Not true. In general I agree, but with digital pictures I've found the opposite to be true. If you ever do video, for sure XP is better. The faster USB speeds on XP will really make a difference as well. Get into the 21st Century, it is now almost 6 years old. Oh I'm supposed to go out and buy Vista now so MS can **** me around even more with another level of "control". Geez, I gave up on Vax/VMS in the mid 80's because I loved a pc because it was Personal. Now it might as well be another mini/mainframe for it's restrictions. And never forget it's MS's own design that they're hacking as they go to make work. Well you could get Linux and use Picasa... S |
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Mike Russell wrote:
"pjp" wrote in message ... Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000 SP4 & XP. NO 98SE etc. Is that correct? If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is to just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!! Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated. XP is not necessary. Get a USB card reader the supports Windows 98 and forget about the camera drivers. Possibly you may be able to use the other applications for editing images, etc, provided by Kodak. While applications that run on Windows XP can generally also run on Windows 98, drivers are another matter. Windows 98 (and 95) use a VxD based driver structure, while Windows 2000 and XP use NT-style DLL based drivers. There are also certain graphics operations, including direct support for ICC color profiles, new DirectX features, and other features that are absent in Windows 98. As more features like this begin to be used in applications, they will no longer work in Windows 98. Kodak, like many others, decided that the user base for 98 was too small to justify a separate code line. My guess is you'll find most camera vendors are shedding support for Windows 98. Heck, even Windows 2000 is seven years old. For now, get a USB card reader and you're golden. Your information is out of date. MANY new software programs will NOT run on Win9x machines as they use support provided in the XP software family (NT/2000/XP) to avoid writing the same routines in their software. Kodak EasyShare software (current version) requires XP. However, this software has NOTHING to do with the operation of the camera, or interpretation of the images made by it. The camera firmware expects 'Pictbridge' protocol to transfer images to the computer, which is probably not available on a Win9X machine, but a card reader can read the flash cards (SD) used by the camera. Some of the automatic email and album functions will be lost this way, but nothing that impairs the satisfactory operation of the camera for making pictures. |
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Ron - Kodak guy
"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message ... "Louise Bremner" wrote: David J. Littleboy wrote: Friends don't let friends use Windows 95/98/ME/SE Unfortunately, clients forced me to buy it, as the only way I could find to produce files that their computers could read.... What are you doing that requires Windows 95/98/ME/SE that can't be done on XP??? Any "older" software that accesses various IO ports comes to mind, e.g. even old comm programs like Procomm will work in a window under 9X but won't under NT/XP. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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