B&H, Why All The SPAM???

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
Don wrote:

Maybe you should target the real spammers offering you viagra and
telling you that you have a Nigerian relative that left you
£/$1000,000, blah, blah.

I could care less about those guys since they get filtered immediately and
it's not an issue. You miss the point. B&H is a well-respected
establishment with a loyal following that gets word-of-mouth advertising
from their loyal customers. Them sending e-mail isn't needed and will only
hurt them. I would expect SPAM from Ritz Camera, never B&H.







Rita

Why can't you get it? It's NOT SPAM, it's customer relations. Your
email address didnt get there by itself, you gave it to them. And if
you read your registration you would have seen that they tell you that
they will keep in touch that way. Moreover, they operate an "opt-in"
registration, so you must have checked the box when you purchased
online there. No even if it was an opt-out system it's still ok. Any
store you go to sends you stuff in snailmail, so why would email be
different. SPAM is unsolicited email that uses your email without ever
getting it from you legitimately, and hey guess what- even that is
legal in the US (not in Europe).
As for the matter itself, I and most of the photographers I know LOVE
B&H emails and mailers. Today for example I was notified about their
sale. How else would I know about it.
To sum up, dont be a whiner- you dont like it, just click the friggin
unsuscribe link. it's much more efficient than starting this s***storm.

wrote:

To sum up, dont be a whiner- you dont like it, just click the friggin
unsuscribe link. it's much more efficient than starting this s***storm.

Well, yes it is. But perhaps you didn't grok the possible real motive??

--
lsmft

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
wrote:

Well, if you're their customer, it's NOT spam for them to send you
emails. They have an existing business relationship with you, so by
the legal definition of spam this isn't spam. If you don't want
emails from them, opt out and be done with it.

Well, the definition of SPAM is unsolicited commercial e-mail. Just because
I do business with a company doesn't give them the right to send e-mail that
I didn't ask for or is *NOT* part of the present transaction. I offer the
choice to my customers the option of receiving additional commercial e-mail
when I send their receipt/thank you note. Some "opt-in" while some don't.
The difference is it's their choice prior to receiving unrelated e-mail from
me. That's just me.

Nope. Check how the CAN-SPAM act defines spam. If a business has a
relationship with you (that is, if you bought something from them,
downloaded something, registered on their website, etc.), they are
specifically allowed to send you email. You don't have to explicitly
opt-in to allow it.

Do you get ****ed off at LL Bean (or whoever) sending you their
Christmas catalogue?

Not ****ed, but I do throw them in the trash without opening.

Well, hitting the delete button is even easier than throwing a catalog
in the trash (and you really should recycle anyway).

-Gniewko

Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
wrote:

Well, if you're their customer, it's NOT spam for them to send you
emails. They have an existing business relationship with you, so by
the legal definition of spam this isn't spam. If you don't want
emails from them, opt out and be done with it.

Well, the definition of SPAM is unsolicited commercial e-mail. Just because
I do business with a company doesn't give them the right to send e-mail that
I didn't ask for or is *NOT* part of the present transaction. I offer the
choice to my customers the option of receiving additional commercial e-mail
when I send their receipt/thank you note. Some "opt-in" while some don't.
The difference is it's their choice prior to receiving unrelated e-mail from
me. That's just me.

Nope. Check how the CAN-SPAM act defines spam. If a business has a
relationship with you (that is, if you bought something from them,
downloaded something, registered on their website, etc.), they are
specifically allowed to send you email. You don't have to explicitly
opt-in to allow it.

Do you get ****ed off at LL Bean (or whoever) sending you their
Christmas catalogue?

Not ****ed, but I do throw them in the trash without opening.

Well, hitting the delete button is even easier than throwing a catalog
in the trash (and you really should recycle anyway).

-Gniewko

Per :

Nope. Check how the CAN-SPAM act defines spam. If a business has a
relationship with you (that is, if you bought something from them,
downloaded something, registered on their website, etc.), they are
specifically allowed to send you email. You don't have to explicitly
opt-in to allow it.

Same thing with telephone solicitors. If I subscribe to magazine, I'm fair
game.

All that means to me is that industry people have once again succeeded in paying
off our legislators.


Years ago, I subscribed to Time magazine as "Peter Garbage". P. Garbage got
junk snail mail by the bundle for well over 10 years. I was always waiting
for the phone call where they asked "Is Mr. Garbage" there so I could
indignantly say "It's not Garbage! it's Garbaaage'. Never happened..... but
that was before telephone solicitors.
--
PeteCresswell

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per :
Nope. Check how the CAN-SPAM act defines spam. If a business has a
relationship with you (that is, if you bought something from them,
downloaded something, registered on their website, etc.), they are
specifically allowed to send you email. You don't have to explicitly
opt-in to allow it.

Same thing with telephone solicitors. If I subscribe to magazine, I'm fair
game.

All that means to me is that industry people have once again succeeded in paying
off our legislators.


Years ago, I subscribed to Time magazine as "Peter Garbage". P. Garbage got
junk snail mail by the bundle for well over 10 years. I was always waiting
for the phone call where they asked "Is Mr. Garbage" there so I could
indignantly say "It's not Garbage! it's Garbaaage'. Never happened..... but
that was before telephone solicitors.

A coworker of mine, Raymond Chen, gets his courtesy cards under the name
Augusto Pinochet.
http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/ar...15/156023.aspx

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Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
Charlie Choc wrote:

B&H is a well-respected
establishment with a loyal following that gets word-of-mouth
advertising from their loyal customers. Them sending e-mail isn't
needed and will only hurt them. I would expect SPAM from Ritz
Camera, never B&H.

I've been buying from B&H for years and have never gotten and email
from them that wasn't a reply to an order I made. I don't recall
opting out of anything.

Yep, same here. This is why I find it very strange that this is happening.
It started a couple weeks ago.

Don't know, but I get a few emails from them, but not often or
disturbing. Most have been about special events - not sales of
equipment.




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