Pictures in airplane cabins

"Shawn" wrote in message
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All:

I would like to take picture in airplane cabins.

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&g...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Some flights are red-eye, and I would like to use a fast lens to take
first/business class pictures.

Which of the following lenses sould I use?

http://www.borrowlenses.com/category/nikon

Thanks.

If I was aboard that flight, I would file a complaint about invasion of
privacy. The flight attendant will report that to the pilot in chargem and
you would face sanctions of some sort. The airplane is private property, and
I did not grant third-party permission to violate my privacy.

"Alois Schicklgrüber" wrote in message
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"Shawn" wrote in message
...
All:

I would like to take picture in airplane cabins.

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&g...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Some flights are red-eye, and I would like to use a fast lens to take
first/business class pictures.

Which of the following lenses sould I use?

http://www.borrowlenses.com/category/nikon

Thanks.

If I was aboard that flight, I would file a complaint about invasion of
privacy. The flight attendant will report that to the pilot in chargem and
you would face sanctions of some sort. The airplane is private property,
and
I did not grant third-party permission to violate my privacy.



read you airline contract. The airport and plane are places of public
accommodation. You have granted surveillance rights to the airline and
security agencies.

--
Peter

On 2010-05-17 11:00:24 -0700, "Alois Schicklgrüber"
said:


"Shawn" wrote in message
...
All:

I would like to take picture in airplane cabins.

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&g...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Some

flights are red-eye, and I would like to use a fast lens to take
first/business class pictures.

Which of the following lenses sould I use?

http://www.borrowlenses.com/category/nikon

Thanks.

If I was aboard that flight, I would file a complaint about invasion of
privacy. The flight attendant will report that to the pilot in chargem and
you would face sanctions of some sort. The airplane is private property, and
I did not grant third-party permission to violate my privacy.

You have confused "private property" with "private place." An airplane,
cruise ship, restaurant, sports stadium, or garden might well be
private property. But they are public places -- open to the general
public. As such, the burden of proof is on you to show that you have a
reasonable expectation of privacy in such places.

The only time any sanctions came into play would be if you or anyone
else disobeyed a flight crew member. Almost all nations have laws
requiring you to obey flight crew members and to avoid interference
with their duties.

Further, the OP made no mention of photographing other people anyway.
Have you ever flown business class or first class on a long flight? For
lots of people it is pretty special -- a trip of a lifetime. They tend
to photograph their own sleeping quarters.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Alois Schicklgrüber wrote:
"Shawn" wrote in message
...
All:

I would like to take picture in airplane cabins.

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&g...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Some flights are red-eye, and I would like to use a fast lens to take
first/business class pictures.

Which of the following lenses sould I use?

http://www.borrowlenses.com/category/nikon

Thanks.

If I was aboard that flight, I would file a complaint about invasion of
privacy. The flight attendant will report that to the pilot in chargem and
you would face sanctions of some sort. The airplane is private property, and
I did not grant third-party permission to violate my privacy.

I watched 'Blowup' (1966) the other day, there's a scene where David
Hemmings, the pretty-boy arrogant photographer brat explains to Vanessa
Redgrave when she complains about being photographed in a park, where
she says she expects reasonable privacy

What are you doing? Stop it! Stop it! Give me those pictures. You can't
photograph people like that.

Who says I can't? I'm only doing my job. Some people are bullfighters,
some people are politicians. I'm a photographer.

screen cap of the scene:
http://www.lrdev.com/lr/cache/379ea71d.html

In article , Bruce
wrote:

You have confused "private property" with "private place." An airplane,
cruise ship, restaurant, sports stadium, or garden might well be
private property. But they are public places -- open to the general
public. As such, the burden of proof is on you to show that you have a
reasonable expectation of privacy in such places.

Everyone should beware amateur "legal experts" who post on Usenet
newsgroups.

true, but what he wrote is correct.

On 2010-05-18 00:41:41 -0700, Bruce said:

On Mon, 17 May 2010 16:45:41 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:

You have confused "private property" with "private place." An airplane,
cruise ship, restaurant, sports stadium, or garden might well be
private property. But they are public places -- open to the general
public. As such, the burden of proof is on you to show that you have a
reasonable expectation of privacy in such places.


Everyone should beware amateur "legal experts" who post on Usenet
newsgroups.

ROFL! Such as yourself, you mean?

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2010-05-18 05:29:38 -0700, Bruce said:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:12:29 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:

On 2010-05-18 00:41:41 -0700, Bruce said:

On Mon, 17 May 2010 16:45:41 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:

You have confused "private property" with "private place." An airplane,
cruise ship, restaurant, sports stadium, or garden might well be
private property. But they are public places -- open to the general
public. As such, the burden of proof is on you to show that you have a
reasonable expectation of privacy in such places.


Everyone should beware amateur "legal experts" who post on Usenet
newsgroups.

ROFL! Such as yourself, you mean?


On the contrary, because I shoot images for a living, I have to know
where I stand in relation to the law. As a result, I pay for, and
take account of, specialist legal advice.

You, on the other hand, can give all the BS advice you want, because
you haven't any experience to tell you just how wrong you are. You
are completely out of touch with reality.

Actually, I also pay for specialist legal advice.

Okay, so my lawyer disagrees with your lawyer.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

In message , Bruce
writes
To the original poster: Do not even attempt what you are proposing
without obtaining prior written permission from the airline. And
don't be disappointed if they say No. That's free advice from one of
the best intellectual property lawyers in the world.

Whilst I agree with you what does the "best IP lawyer in the world" know
about airline and photography law? Probably the same as a public order
lawyer knows about IP law?

AS it stands the airline make the rules as part of the conditions for
travel. (Read the small print on the booking form :-) If you take any
pictures and another fare paying customer objects you will be asked to
stop. Then the law is all on the side of the airline.


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In article , Bruce
wrote:

Mine is one of the UK's top intellectual property lawyers who also
lectures in IP law at two Ivy League universities and at the UK's top
law school.

uk law is not applicable everywhere, and just because he's a lawyer
doesn't mean he's always 100% correct.

To the original poster: Do not even attempt what you are proposing
without obtaining prior written permission from the airline. And
don't be disappointed if they say No.

nonsense. absent a prohibition of photography, it is completely legal.

a flight attendant might ask the person to stop and s/he would need to
comply with their request. some airlines prohibit taking photos of the
flight crew, but photos out the window and of traveling companions are
fine.

countless people take photos inside and outside airplanes and at
airports every day. neither of these sites would be possible if it were
illegal:
http://www.airliners.net/advsearch/
http://www.airlinemeals.net/index.php

and if you want a lawyer's opinion, there are several lawyers on
flyertalk.com who will tell you *exactly* what the relevant laws are
(one of whom used to post in this newsgroup).

the topic comes up a lot on flyertalk, with people posting photos of
cabin interiors, the food served, views out the window and more. one
person was even assaulted by rent-a-cops at jfk and he stood firm, and
ultimately got a letter of apology.

http://www.krages.com/lhp.htm
http://ambientlight.ca/laws.php
http://www.sirimo.co.uk/2009/05/14/uk-photographers-rights-v2/

That's free advice from one of
the best intellectual property lawyers in the world.

a true lawyer would not be giving advice to a non-client, especially
via someone posting for him, over usenet.

if someone is really concerned, contact their own attorney for advice.

In article , Chris H
wrote:

AS it stands the airline make the rules as part of the conditions for
travel. (Read the small print on the booking form :-)

the small print does not prohibit photography, other than *of* the
flight crew or flight deck.

If you take any
pictures and another fare paying customer objects you will be asked to
stop. Then the law is all on the side of the airline.

that's different. you need to comply with requests of the flight crew.