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Old September 12th 15, 05:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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You research toasters, too?


toasters are commodity products. there's not a whole lot of research to
do.
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What did I miss by not waiting for a 5?


you bought your 4s after the 5 was *discontinued*.

you bought the cheapest iphone available, which was then 2 years old,
without understanding what the compromises were for doing so.
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In article , Tony Cooper
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I'm more into hands-on. I'd handled iPhones before, so I really couldn't
gain much knowledge on the web.


Actually you could.


What, for example? What could I have learned on the web that would
have caused me to buy a different phone?

Forget the "basic phone" bit. I've already said I was willing to pop
for a smartphone for undetermined future reasons. Cost was not a
determining factor for me. So, it has to a smartphone choice.


you say cost was not a determining factor, yet you bought a two year
old phone for 99 cents?

if cost really wasn't a factor, you'd have bought the 5s which had just
come out.

My choice would have been a phone that would serve through the
contract period. I don't mind paying extra for a smartphone, but I
don't like paying for a change because of a bad decision.

Let's also omit from the research a no contract provider because the
no contract providers here don't - according to my research - provide
the service and coverage that AT&T does. That I did research.


your research was incomplete.

at&t has no-contract offerings, as do at&t mvnos, as do other mvnos.

coverage for an at&t mvno is for all intents the same as at&t directly,
as is service. they're just reselling it, usually for less money.

there sometimes can be a difference in coverage you're in a rural area
and need to roam on a foreign carrier but orlando is not a rural area
and at&t has very good native coverage, so that's a non-issue, even if
you take a road trip.

I understand this puts you in an awkward position. To show that
research would have paid off, you have to find a better phone than an
Apple, and you use an Apple phone.


you're assuming all iphones are equivalent. they are not.

it's as if you walked into a camera store and said "i want a nikon
camera" and bought a d90 the day the d7100 was released, a camera two
versions prior, just as the 4s was two generations prior to the 5s.
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Old September 12th 15, 06:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:12:20 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:52:11 -0700, Bill W
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:43:54 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Product research is the bit I champ at when reining in that impulse
buying mustang.


Okay, this sort of thing really needs to stop...

That sentence made my ears hurt.


Triple metaphors will do that.

The horse champs at the bit when the rider reins in the horse, but I
understood his allusion.


If there's a Geneva Convention protecting the English language, he
just thrashed all of the torture provisions.
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Old September 12th 15, 07:19 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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you say cost was not a determining factor, yet you bought a two year
old phone for 99 cents?

if cost really wasn't a factor, you'd have bought the 5s which had just
come out.


I may be underestimating your value.


clearly.

You know when I bought my phone,
how much I paid for it, and what other inventory the store had in
stock at the time. I tend to forget that stuff as it really isn't all
that important to me.


i said nothing about inventory.

do learn to read.
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Old September 12th 15, 09:32 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-09-12 02:53:41 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:43:54 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

I'm more into hands-on. I'd handled iPhones before, so I really couldn't
gain much knowledge on the web.


Actually you could.


What, for example? What could I have learned on the web that would
have caused me to buy a different phone?


You would have learned the differences between the iP4, iP4S, iP5, and
iP5S. You could have learned of the features and some of the available
apps.

Forget the "basic phone" bit. I've already said I was willing to pop
for a smartphone for undetermined future reasons. Cost was not a
determining factor for me. So, it has to a smartphone choice.


You could certainly have made a comparison between the various iPhones
and the Android offerings.

My choice would have been a phone that would serve through the
contract period. I don't mind paying extra for a smartphone, but I
don't like paying for a change because of a bad decision.


There were more than iPhones available to you since you hadn't made
your decision to buy one brand or the other.

Let's also omit from the research a no contract provider because the
no contract providers here don't - according to my research - provide
the service and coverage that AT&T does. That I did research.


Good. For me AT&T was a non-starter as it provided poor coverage out in
the hills where I live. The same applied to T-Mobile, and Sprint. That
left me with Verizon which has been my provider since the days it was
GTE. In recent years local coverage has improved for the other
providers, but I have stayed with Verizon.

I understand this puts you in an awkward position. To show that
research would have paid off, you have to find a better phone than an
Apple, and you use an Apple phone.


Sure I use an iPhone, but I learned about the iPhone as it developed,
and if a smartphone was what was wanted I would have recommended an
iPhone, but the decision to buy is still yours.

My first iPhone was an iP4 and it replaced a Samsung which replaced a
Motorola. I saw the benefits of upgrading to the iP4S which served me
well for almost 3 years when I got my current iP5S which is serving me
well, and I didn't see the point of an upgrade to an iP6, and now I am
seriously considering an iP6S which is very different to all of the
preceding models.


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Regards,

Savageduck

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Old September 12th 15, 09:34 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-09-12 03:12:20 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:52:11 -0700, Bill W
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:43:54 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Product research is the bit I champ at when reining in that impulse
buying mustang.


Okay, this sort of thing really needs to stop...

That sentence made my ears hurt.


Triple metaphors will do that.

The horse champs at the bit when the rider reins in the horse, but I
understood his allusion.


Yup! I overcooked that one. ;-)
--
Regards,

Savageduck

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Old September 12th 15, 09:47 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-09-12 05:14:41 +0000, Bill W said:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:12:20 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:52:11 -0700, Bill W
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:43:54 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Product research is the bit I champ at when reining in that impulse
buying mustang.

Okay, this sort of thing really needs to stop...

That sentence made my ears hurt.


Triple metaphors will do that.

The horse champs at the bit when the rider reins in the horse, but I
understood his allusion.


If there's a Geneva Convention protecting the English language, he
just thrashed all of the torture provisions.


I have not read the Geneva Convention, or seen the movie. They did not
provide a rule book with this particular Usenet account. Additionally,
I was lost in the heat of the debate, and once Tony opened with "rein"
I fired back with a metaphoric barrage.
It is a situation much like discussing rules in a knife fight.

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Regards,

Savageduck

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Old September 12th 15, 09:51 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-09-12 05:35:09 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:37:02 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

You research toasters, too?


toasters are commodity products. there's not a whole lot of research to
do.


I agree. Evidently, they require research if purchased in Sweden.
Popinjay equates them with refrigerators and feels both should be
researched before purchase.


....and if you want a toaster which would deal with bagels, and other
similar toastables, and then discover the one you bought will only
accomodate sliced bread.

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Regards,

Savageduck

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Old September 12th 15, 02:53 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-09-12 13:28:45 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:32:57 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-09-12 02:53:41 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:43:54 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

I'm more into hands-on. I'd handled iPhones before, so I really couldn't
gain much knowledge on the web.

Actually you could.

What, for example? What could I have learned on the web that would
have caused me to buy a different phone?


You would have learned the differences between the iP4, iP4S, iP5, and
iP5S. You could have learned of the features and some of the available
apps.

Forget the "basic phone" bit. I've already said I was willing to pop
for a smartphone for undetermined future reasons. Cost was not a
determining factor for me. So, it has to a smartphone choice.


You could certainly have made a comparison between the various iPhones
and the Android offerings.


My choice would have been a phone that would serve through the
contract period. I don't mind paying extra for a smartphone, but I
don't like paying for a change because of a bad decision.


There were more than iPhones available to you since you hadn't made
your decision to buy one brand or the other.


Let's also omit from the research a no contract provider because the
no contract providers here don't - according to my research - provide
the service and coverage that AT&T does. That I did research.


Good. For me AT&T was a non-starter as it provided poor coverage out in
the hills where I live. The same applied to T-Mobile, and Sprint. That
left me with Verizon which has been my provider since the days it was
GTE. In recent years local coverage has improved for the other
providers, but I have stayed with Verizon.

I understand this puts you in an awkward position. To show that
research would have paid off, you have to find a better phone than an
Apple, and you use an Apple phone.


Sure I use an iPhone, but I learned about the iPhone as it developed,
and if a smartphone was what was wanted I would have recommended an
iPhone, but the decision to buy is still yours.

My first iPhone was an iP4 and it replaced a Samsung which replaced a
Motorola. I saw the benefits of upgrading to the iP4S which served me
well for almost 3 years when I got my current iP5S which is serving me
well, and I didn't see the point of an upgrade to an iP6, and now I am
seriously considering an iP6S which is very different to all of the
preceding models.


What is the recommendation, though? I said I chose Apple because of
the reputation of the company, so the choice would have been between
Apple models. I wasn't interested in an Android phone.

The research would have been about only Apple models. The one I chose
has served well and done exactly what I thought it would do. What
would a different model of Apple done that mine doesn't do?

If you position is that there was some disadvantage to not doing
research, you should be able to show that research could have resulted
in a smarter purchase.

You have to be able to show that my choice to buy Apple was wrong even
though what I - as the consumer - wanted Apple, or show that the Apple
model was the wrong model to buy - and why - if your position is that
not doing research was a bad decision.


OK! I give up.
You are absolutely correct you wanted an Apple phone so you bought an
Apple phone, and you are happy that it works as a phone should.
However, of the various Apple phones available to you, you made a
selection based purely on the brand name.
It looks as if your choice of the iPhone 4S was an accident, because if
there wasn't one in the store you would probably have been happy to
leave with an iPhone 5(S) because it was an APPLE phone, not because of
its improved capabilities (which you would have been blisfully unaware
of).
....and it would still work just fine to make and receive calls and texts.

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Regards,

Savageduck

 




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