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Old December 3rd 04, 08:20 PM
fortknight
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Default Fuji E550 not telling the truth regarding light?

My understanding is that a given fstop, at a given aperture speed, at a
given ISO, at a given ambient light level, should give a similarly
exposed image regardless of camera. Correct?

Well the e550 seems slow (darker) to me, by at least a couple of stops.
In otherwords ISO 400, 1/60, f2.8 which should ordinarily be
sufficient for indoor snapshots without flash (am I wrong here, this
based on experience), but the e550 images are very dark.

Irritatingly enough (though I suppose this goes with their ISO 800 mode
which is only available on 3M images), the movie mode is sufficiently
bright indoors, even though the still photos are not.

Anyone else have this experience?

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Old December 4th 04, 12:23 AM
Sabineellen
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I've written about this at length. Go to dpreview fuji talk forum and search
for my posts (username cscltr). These "very dark" images of the e550 are a
feature, not a fault.

Also, the assumption is not correct, at least in my real life experience, that
two cameras at the same settings should give the same exposed image.


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Old December 4th 04, 02:13 AM
fortknight
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Sabineellen wrote:

Also, the assumption is not correct, at least in my real life experience, that
two cameras at the same settings should give the same exposed image.


Really?!? My recollection in the film days, was that if I have two
cameras with the same film, and the same Aperture and the same shutter
setting, I should get the same amount of exposure. If I needed twice
the exposure you double the ISO, or you go down 1 full stop (f2.8 to f.2
for instance), or you doubled the length of the exposure from 1/120th to
1/60th.

Is this no longer true??? If not, why not?
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Old December 4th 04, 03:21 AM
Sabineellen
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Sabineellen wrote:

Also, the assumption is not correct, at least in my real life experience,

that
two cameras at the same settings should give the same exposed image.


Really?!? My recollection in the film days, was that if I have two
cameras with the same film, and the same Aperture and the same shutter
setting, I should get the same amount of exposure. If I needed twice
the exposure you double the ISO, or you go down 1 full stop (f2.8 to f.2
for instance), or you doubled the length of the exposure from 1/120th to
1/60th.

Is this no longer true??? If not, why not?


Film SLRs is a different story altogether. Yes, with film SLRs you're comparing
like with like. In digital compacts it just isn't so. Ideally it should be, but
in my experience, and from reviews, it just isn't. Well, it is to some extent,
but not if you really want to be perfectly accurate about it as you seem to
prefer.

Anyhow, have you been to dpreview fuji talk forum and read what I wrote there
about exposure/contrast issues for the f810/e550?

If you can't find it email me at sabineellen AT aol DOT com and I'll send you
direct links.







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Old December 4th 04, 03:21 AM
Sabineellen
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Sabineellen wrote:

Also, the assumption is not correct, at least in my real life experience,

that
two cameras at the same settings should give the same exposed image.


Really?!? My recollection in the film days, was that if I have two
cameras with the same film, and the same Aperture and the same shutter
setting, I should get the same amount of exposure. If I needed twice
the exposure you double the ISO, or you go down 1 full stop (f2.8 to f.2
for instance), or you doubled the length of the exposure from 1/120th to
1/60th.

Is this no longer true??? If not, why not?


Film SLRs is a different story altogether. Yes, with film SLRs you're comparing
like with like. In digital compacts it just isn't so. Ideally it should be, but
in my experience, and from reviews, it just isn't. Well, it is to some extent,
but not if you really want to be perfectly accurate about it as you seem to
prefer.

Anyhow, have you been to dpreview fuji talk forum and read what I wrote there
about exposure/contrast issues for the f810/e550?

If you can't find it email me at sabineellen AT aol DOT com and I'll send you
direct links.







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Old December 4th 04, 03:21 AM
Sabineellen
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Sabineellen wrote:

Also, the assumption is not correct, at least in my real life experience,

that
two cameras at the same settings should give the same exposed image.


Really?!? My recollection in the film days, was that if I have two
cameras with the same film, and the same Aperture and the same shutter
setting, I should get the same amount of exposure. If I needed twice
the exposure you double the ISO, or you go down 1 full stop (f2.8 to f.2
for instance), or you doubled the length of the exposure from 1/120th to
1/60th.

Is this no longer true??? If not, why not?


Film SLRs is a different story altogether. Yes, with film SLRs you're comparing
like with like. In digital compacts it just isn't so. Ideally it should be, but
in my experience, and from reviews, it just isn't. Well, it is to some extent,
but not if you really want to be perfectly accurate about it as you seem to
prefer.

Anyhow, have you been to dpreview fuji talk forum and read what I wrote there
about exposure/contrast issues for the f810/e550?

If you can't find it email me at sabineellen AT aol DOT com and I'll send you
direct links.







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Old December 5th 04, 05:27 AM
David Dyer-Bennet
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fortknight writes:

My understanding is that a given fstop, at a given aperture speed, at
a given ISO, at a given ambient light level, should give a similarly
exposed image regardless of camera. Correct?

Well the e550 seems slow (darker) to me, by at least a couple of
stops. In otherwords ISO 400, 1/60, f2.8 which should ordinarily be
sufficient for indoor snapshots without flash (am I wrong here, this
based on experience), but the e550 images are very dark.


Don't know that camera, but "indoors" covers *many* f-stops of
brightness range. I've certainly found ISO 400 inadequate for many
indoor photos, and marginal even for brightly fluorescent-lit
classrooms at f2.8 (I mostly had f2 or better available).

A given ISO / shutter / aperture *should* produce pretty much the same
brightness with any standard imaging system.
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