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Old December 22nd 06, 03:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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I have to carry my Telescopes in my car which happens to be a 1974 plmy, and
I don't need to smog it either.


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"Ken Lucke" wrote in message
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In article , acl
wrote:

jeremy wrote:
mechanical build quality had deteriorated noticably. Just like new
cars.
Better fuel economy and more amenities, at the expense of less sheet
metal
and smaller overall size.


So, basically, you prefer cars with lots of sheet metal and large size?



Damn straight _I_ do. Sheet metal, true internal structure (not just
some flimsy suppoorts for the outer skin), and large size. I'd take
high strength composite fiber/plastics (NOT fiberglass!) if they ever
start making cars with them (oops, sorry, that was an inadvertent cue
for RichA to enter the thread with his obsession), but until then, I
want METAL around me. The more the better.

Ever seen a serious wreck? Ever been in one?

From 1979 to 1996, I worked as a professional, full time paramedic (in
Portland, OR and other places), and the last 6 years was also a
firefighter. I've _seen_ (and sometimes had to scrape up) the
difference in outcomes.

Sorry, but to hell with fuel economy... with the millions of people on
the road in this country who merely know "how to operate a motor
vehicle" as opposed to actually knowing how to _drive_ their vehicles
(and there is a HUGE difference between those two skillsets), I want a
tank around me, if possible. Again, damn straight I prefer a vehicle
with some substance to it rather than today's tin cans that a wrinkle
in the sheet metal causes major loss of body integrity and strength
(literally).

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  #22  
Old December 22nd 06, 04:53 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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"Pudentame" wrote in message
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OTOH, my own experience indicates a smaller, more nimble vehicle allows
the driver avoid accidents he might not be able to avoid in a larger,
heavier, less maneuverable automobile. That's the

whole problem right there. Avoid, nimble, maneuverable? That's a joke,
right? I'd be happy to see "awake". I'd be happy to see "off the phone" I'd
be happy to see "make-up already done"..The limit of most peoples driving
knowledge is that soon after an accident, something will blow up right in
their face to save them. Mostly, after the crumple zone is done crumpling;
said air bag is much closer to the victim. Bob Hickey


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Old December 22nd 06, 05:49 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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jeremy wrote:
Well, many of us sensed that it was coming.

Pentax had been a longtime user of Hoya optical glass, but to see Hoya
swallow Pentax us is disconcerting.


A group of protestors led by Brittany Spears and Pamela Anderson are
protesting the new name of the corporation .... HoTax.

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Old December 22nd 06, 07:12 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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J. Clarke wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 07:12:15 +1000, Graham Fountain wrote:

jeremy wrote:
"David Kilpatrick" wrote in message
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jeremy wrote:
Well, many of us sensed that it was coming.

Pentax had been a longtime user of Hoya optical glass, but to see Hoya
swallow Pentax us is disconcerting.

They had already swallowed a big chunk of Pentax, as their subsidiary
brand Tokina makes most of the popular lenses (not the special stuff)

David
I was hoping that Pentax might release a full crop digital body that would
take their older 35mm lenses, but that appears to be a pipe dream now. Time
to start looking for a new camera brand.

I don't know about that - with the new company having approximately 20x
the capitalisation of Pentax, I think the chances of them progressing
more rapidly are significantly higher. There is nothing wrong with
Hoya/Tokina optics, and now they have a camera system to match their
stuff to. With more money to throw around for things like R&D,
marketing, and quite possibly some new high end gear, the brand can only
improve. Before you jump ship, just remember that Canon don't have
approx 70% market share (in Australia at least, not sure about rest of
the world) because they are any better than the competition, it's simply
because they have been marketed better.


There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just
about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't.


The reason Pentax could not do this is the lack of capital. So this
could change now for the better. Then again, depends on the direction
the merged company takes. They may abandon the camera market, and may
not. Only time will tell.

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Old December 22nd 06, 11:26 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:20:33 -0800, Roger N. Clark (change username
to rnclark) wrote:

Well, we have very different priorities in cars, I must admit.


My car must be big enough to hold my big DSLR and all
the lenses I carry ;-)


If/when you sprain your sacroiliac, there's a really neat $150 P&S
camera I know of that can take pictures nearly as well as some $5000
cameras. Then you would need neither a big car nor a pack mule.



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  #26  
Old December 22nd 06, 01:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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I welcome the change if it means that the long term viability of the K-mount
is secure. I have a substantial investment in K-mount lenses. Unlike Minolta
and later KM, Pentax has demonstrated clearly that it is an innovative
company and (finally) has the ability to adapt to the changing market
quicker than competition with the recent release of K100 and K10 cameras.
What this does is to make Pentax attractive to potential buyers. This is not
an uncommon tactics when a company realized that it might not be able to
raise enough fund to finance long term R&D. There is a no down side since
there will be significant return if the products do sell well. There is no
reason to hold onto a name. A name is only a name. What is important, to me
anyway, is the viability of a set of tools that allows me to pursue
photography. BTW, I started using a Pentax MX in 1979 and since bought and
sold a P30, 5n, *ist. I am now using a DS and a K10D.



"W Paul Mills" wrote in message
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J. Clarke wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 07:12:15 +1000, Graham Fountain wrote:

jeremy wrote:
"David Kilpatrick" wrote in message
...
jeremy wrote:
Well, many of us sensed that it was coming.

Pentax had been a longtime user of Hoya optical glass, but to see
Hoya
swallow Pentax us is disconcerting.

They had already swallowed a big chunk of Pentax, as their subsidiary
brand Tokina makes most of the popular lenses (not the special stuff)

David
I was hoping that Pentax might release a full crop digital body that
would
take their older 35mm lenses, but that appears to be a pipe dream now.
Time
to start looking for a new camera brand.
I don't know about that - with the new company having approximately 20x
the capitalisation of Pentax, I think the chances of them progressing
more rapidly are significantly higher. There is nothing wrong with
Hoya/Tokina optics, and now they have a camera system to match their
stuff to. With more money to throw around for things like R&D,
marketing, and quite possibly some new high end gear, the brand can only
improve. Before you jump ship, just remember that Canon don't have
approx 70% market share (in Australia at least, not sure about rest of
the world) because they are any better than the competition, it's simply
because they have been marketed better.


There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just
about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't.


The reason Pentax could not do this is the lack of capital. So this
could change now for the better. Then again, depends on the direction
the merged company takes. They may abandon the camera market, and may
not. Only time will tell.

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  #27  
Old December 22nd 06, 01:10 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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J. Clarke wrote:
There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just
about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't.

Really? - So Canon would have a fisheye that can be used on the 400D/30D
and their predecessors if they have a lens for every niche right? Oh
that's right they don't. Nikon and Pentax both have fisheyes for their
digitals.
Canon would have a number of zooms beyond 300mm wouldn't they? Well
actually they only have 1, the 100-400L, while Nikon and Pentax have a
number of zooms extending out to 600mm.
I'm guessing then that Canon would have a "travel" type lens, such as a
28-300, very handy lenses when you want to travel light. Oops, nothing
there either.
Sorry, what were you saying?


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Old December 22nd 06, 02:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:10:38 +1000, Graham Fountain wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:
There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just
about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't.

Really? - So Canon would have a fisheye that can be used on the 400D/30D
and their predecessors if they have a lens for every niche right? Oh
that's right they don't. Nikon and Pentax both have fisheyes for their
digitals.
Canon would have a number of zooms beyond 300mm wouldn't they? Well
actually they only have 1, the 100-400L, while Nikon and Pentax have a
number of zooms extending out to 600mm.
I'm guessing then that Canon would have a "travel" type lens, such as a
28-300, very handy lenses when you want to travel light. Oops, nothing
there either.
Sorry, what were you saying?


What part of "just about" are you having trouble with?

Asperger's? High function autism?

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Old December 22nd 06, 02:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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"W Paul Mills" wrote in message
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The reason Pentax could not do this is the lack of capital. So this
could change now for the better. Then again, depends on the direction
the merged company takes. They may abandon the camera market, and may
not. Only time will tell.


I can't think offhand of any major company that was helped in its financial
woes by being merged into a bigger, better-capitalized company. Typically,
the stronger company buys up the weaker one's resources, customers and
assets at pennies on the dollar and then sells off or shuts down the parts
that do not fit with the stronger company's vision.

What if Hoya were to rebadge their Tokina lenses as "Pentax" and then sell
off the camera unit to Samsung? Perhaps even allow Samsung to use the
Pentax name for a period of time, and then to gradually wean customers over
to the Samsung name, while Tokina lenses were now selling more briskly under
the Pentax brand? That is only one possible scenario.

Pentax's reputation was built by their lenses, not their camera bodies.
Their last noteworthy camera was the LX, and they killed it off, rather than
improve it like Nikon did with their F series. Even if Pentax were to
release a new super "professional" camera model right now, who would buy it?
Professionals have migrated to digital, and those that require a top-notch
film camera would buy the Nikon F6.

Pentax withdrew from the competition years ago, and now that contest is over
and they can't come back. They have discovered, as did Minolta, Bronica,
Contax and Olympus have, that their prior dominance in the film domain was
no guarantee of success in digital--and the buyers are virtually all buying
digital.

I am saddened to see Pentax's demise. All of my film cameras are Pentaxes,
as are all of my lenses, but there is no hope of their being around to
supply me with future photo gear. If the rest of their customer base
becomes of a like mind, they will disappear from the market.


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Old December 22nd 06, 02:49 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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"TW" wrote in message
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I welcome the change if it means that the long term viability of the
K-mount is secure.


As I understand it, Pentax has not charged royalties to other manufacturers
that incorporated the K-mount, so that is not a factor.

The mount would have little value to an independent manufacturer unless
there was a major player, like Pentax, serving to anchor it. And, there are
few independent brands out there. Vivitar, Chinon, not exactly inspiring.

All the more reason for buyers to stick with the big brands in the hope that
their investments won't go down the drain. When I eventually buy into a
DSLR system, it is going to be Nikon. I had stated previously that I would
not even consider Pentax--and this from someone that has shot nothing BUT
Pentax film cameras and lenses for nearly 35 years.


 




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