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Panasonic Fz18: whatàs your opinion?
Hi all,
I am considering upgrading from my compact Casio Ex v7 to a more advanced cameras; I'd like a bigger zoom and better image quality, but I'm afraid I have neither to budget nor the patience to buy and carry around a "real" professional camera with a full set of lenses. So I thought the Panasonic Fz18 can be a reasonable compromise. The forums and websistes (especially dpreview) I found all reviewed the camera fairly well. What do you think? Do you agree with the positive reviews? Or maybe would the gain in quality (compared to my Casio) not be worth the expense? Thanks! |
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Panasonic Fz18: whatàs your opinion?
If you are not used to dSLR usage and quality you will be happy with this
camera. From a dSLR user's point of view these cameras are slower to use, have significantly greater noise and are limited by the physical characteristics of lenses in their focal length range and the physical size of the sensors. Which means that most people will not miss what they are missing, have the advantage of a small light camera and be glad they are not lugging an SUV sized behemoth around their neck, like a Nikon dSLR coupled to a Nikon 18-200VR zoom. Since the life cycle of these cameras is usually months I am hoping the next generation can improve noise levels, which to me remains the main bugaboo of the Panasonics even at low ISOs. |
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Panasonic Fz18: whatàs your opinion?
wrote in message ... Hi all, I am considering upgrading from my compact Casio Ex v7 to a more advanced cameras; I'd like a bigger zoom and better image quality, but I'm afraid I have neither to budget nor the patience to buy and carry around a "real" professional camera with a full set of lenses. So I thought the Panasonic Fz18 can be a reasonable compromise. The forums and websistes (especially dpreview) I found all reviewed the camera fairly well. What do you think? Do you agree with the positive reviews? Or maybe would the gain in quality (compared to my Casio) not be worth the expense? My wife uses a FZ5 and it works well. I'd guess you will be happy with the FZ18. |
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Panasonic Fz18: whatàs your opinion?
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:24:20 -0500, Charles wrote:
wrote in message ... Hi all, I am considering upgrading from my compact Casio Ex v7 to a more advanced cameras; I'd like a bigger zoom and better image quality, but I'm afraid I have neither to budget nor the patience to buy and carry around a "real" professional camera with a full set of lenses. So I thought the Panasonic Fz18 can be a reasonable compromise. The forums and websistes (especially dpreview) I found all reviewed the camera fairly well. What do you think? Do you agree with the positive reviews? Or maybe would the gain in quality (compared to my Casio) not be worth the expense? My wife uses a FZ5 and it works well. I'd guess you will be happy with the FZ18. I second that. My FZ5 has served me well. Just don't try to push the ISO very high and you'll be fine. -dms |
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Panasonic Fz18: whatÃ*s your opinion?
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:23:39 -0800
"flambe" wrote: If you are not used to dSLR usage and quality you will be happy with this camera. From a dSLR user's point of view these cameras are slower to use, have significantly greater noise and are limited by the physical characteristics of lenses in their focal length range and the physical size of the sensors. Which means that most people will not miss what they are missing, have the advantage of a small light camera and be glad they are not lugging an SUV sized behemoth around their neck, like a Nikon dSLR coupled to a Nikon 18-200VR zoom. Fine so far... Since the life cycle of these cameras is usually months I am hoping the next generation can improve noise levels, which to me remains the main bugaboo of the Panasonics even at low ISOs. The noise problem with small sensors will not improve in the next generation, or in the one after that. Physics doesn't work that way. And, noise at low ISOs is not a particular bugaboo of the Panasonics. Sure, you can find a little noise in some shots from my FZ30 if you look really hard, but it's not visible in prints or in images resized for the web. It doesn't rise to the level of a "bugaboo." But, speaking of small sensors and noise, does anyone know how Fuji gets their sensors to do so well at ISO 800? I vaguely recall something about a mix of large and small sensels, with one type recording luminosity and the other recording color. I can't quite imagine how you'd get both high resolution and low noise from such a scheme, so I must be missing something. Paul Allen |
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Panasonic Fz18: whatàs your opinion
The camera is relatively "bulky" for a P&S, as you cannot put it in
your pocket like a Canon G7/G9 , Nikon P5100 or Sony H3. Check some photos that I took last year at the following link http://picasaweb.google.com/aniramca...rn_Manitoba_CA They gave some ideas of the quality of the photos that came out of the camera. wrote: Hi all, I am considering upgrading from my compact Casio Ex v7 to a more advanced cameras; I'd like a bigger zoom and better image quality, but I'm afraid I have neither to budget nor the patience to buy and carry around a "real" professional camera with a full set of lenses. So I thought the Panasonic Fz18 can be a reasonable compromise. The forums and websistes (especially dpreview) I found all reviewed the camera fairly well. What do you think? Do you agree with the positive reviews? Or maybe would the gain in quality (compared to my Casio) not be worth the expense? Thanks! |
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Panasonic Fz18: whatÃ*s your opinion?
Paul Allen wrote:
[] But, speaking of small sensors and noise, does anyone know how Fuji gets their sensors to do so well at ISO 800? I vaguely recall something about a mix of large and small sensels, with one type recording luminosity and the other recording color. I can't quite imagine how you'd get both high resolution and low noise from such a scheme, so I must be missing something. Paul Allen This is a question which interests me as well. So far, I don't think that anyone has pointed out a Fuji paper explaining just how they do this (and of course, they may not want their competitors to know!), and I keep getting the impression "It's just Fuji magic", which doesn't satisfy me at all! I do get the impression that they employ more noise reduction than, for example, Panasonic, and of course they get a softer image as a result, and those two manufacturers are at the opposite ends of the spectrum in sharpness and noise. Perhaps a good noise-reduction algorithm plus a slightly better sensor is what Fuji have - but their "Fuji magic" ambience turns me off completely. Cheers, David |
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Panasonic Fz18: whatÃ*s your opinion?
David J Taylor wrote:
Paul Allen wrote: [] But, speaking of small sensors and noise, does anyone know how Fuji gets their sensors to do so well at ISO 800? I vaguely recall something about a mix of large and small sensels, with one type recording luminosity and the other recording color. I can't quite imagine how you'd get both high resolution and low noise from such a scheme, so I must be missing something. Paul Allen This is a question which interests me as well. So far, I don't think that anyone has pointed out a Fuji paper explaining just how they do this (and of course, they may not want their competitors to know!), and I keep getting the impression "It's just Fuji magic", which doesn't satisfy me at all! I do get the impression that they employ more noise reduction than, for example, Panasonic, and of course they get a softer image as a result, and those two manufacturers are at the opposite ends of the spectrum in sharpness and noise. Perhaps a good noise-reduction algorithm plus a slightly better sensor is what Fuji have - but their "Fuji magic" ambience turns me off completely. Cheers, David Should have mentioned the larger sensor area as well, and more sensible pixel count. Cheers, David |
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