Demand that Obama release his college records! Where is the media?

"frank" wrote in message
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On Oct 14, 6:48 pm, "Boskey" wrote:

Obama has promised tax cuts for most Americans. However, I believe he has
indicated during interviews that he isn't in favor of the Bush tax cuts
being extended. Soooo, we may see the end of the Bush tax cuts, cuts that
impacted much of the middle-income Americans. Then, it will be replaced
by
the Obama brand of tax cuts. No wonder Obama can say he won't need to
raise
taxes for this proposal, he is simply re-badging the Bush tax cuts.

He;s actually lowering the taxes for the middle class and raising them for
the top 1% or so. Make over a million you're going to take a big hit. But
you can afford it if you make a million.

Oh, I have absolutely no doubt that the big business people can afford it,
but the problem is that any factor that increases or decreases your budget
will cause a business to adjust accordingly, just the same as those of us
pulling down the unskilled wages have to adjust our own budgets. Even when
a big business gets into a money crunch, even if it can "afford" it, it's
still going to have to adjust the budget, and one of the first things to
happen is that more corners get cut. It's a vicious cycle.

catpandaddy wrote:

"frank" wrote in message
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On Oct 14, 6:48 pm, "Boskey" wrote:

Obama has promised tax cuts for most Americans. However, I believe he
has
indicated during interviews that he isn't in favor of the Bush tax cuts
being extended. Soooo, we may see the end of the Bush tax cuts, cuts
that
impacted much of the middle-income Americans. Then, it will be
replaced by
the Obama brand of tax cuts. No wonder Obama can say he won't need to
raise
taxes for this proposal, he is simply re-badging the Bush tax cuts.

He;s actually lowering the taxes for the middle class and raising them
for the top 1% or so. Make over a million you're going to take a big
hit. But you can afford it if you make a million.

Oh, I have absolutely no doubt that the big business people can afford
it, but the problem is that any factor that increases or decreases your
budget will cause a business to adjust accordingly, just the same as
those of us pulling down the unskilled wages have to adjust our own
budgets. Even when a big business gets into a money crunch, even if it
can "afford" it, it's still going to have to adjust the budget, and one
of the first things to happen is that more corners get cut. It's a
vicious cycle.

Try for just one ng that's OT.

gemini jackson added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

And Obama's plan has a balanced budget for FY2010? Didn't
think so. Obama voted for the $700B bailout. That's $58B a
month. So Obama is 3X more irresponsible than Bush,
astounding as that may be.

What's astounding is the narrow minded attempt to skew the
details to be in favor of your candidate instead of using
unbiased facts. McCain voted for the bailout too. But to his
credit he was a POW for 5 years.

Despite all the record of one guy who says he is for change and
the other who says he's a maverick, they are both skilled
politicians.

We can debate the true or falsehood of all these issues but never
reach a consensus any more than one will be reached by the
American people in tonight's last debate.

As to voting, even the Joe Friday "the facts, ma'am, nothing but
the facts" simply does not reveal all that much about either
Obama or McCain when purely looking at their Senate voting
records as most of the "he voted 94 times for this or that" are
procural votes ancillary to a much smaller number of bills.

As to medical records, just like guilt by association accusations
flowing both ways, neither candidate has been at all forthcoming
although McCain is minorly better.

As to McCain's POW experiences, that doesn't give him much of a
leg up on national security or military issues but his later
career as the Navy's liason office to the Senate did. But Obama's
complete lack of any military experience but his complete lack of
forthrightness on his actual formative years experiences is
telling indeed.

Here's one to just fan the flames of discord: Obama "with a
little help from his friends" has somehow managed to twart all
FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) requests trying to find out
what he did at Columbia or at Harvard Law. All of his papers, all
of his exams, and even his Harvard Law Review articles are 100%
locked up somehow.

To whatever extent it may matter to a voter population with a
very short memory - that is, a Republican screwed up the ecomony
and cost me my life's savings, McCain did actually volunteer to
testify in court and before Congress for his involvement in the
Keating S & L scandal.

I am neither a conspiracy theorist nor excessively "you'll tell
us if you have nothing to hide", I think that what Obama and
McCain BOTH have FAILED to tell the American people about
themselves and about how they would handle the myriad of issues
in this campaign is far more relevant than is the finger pointing
game.

A couple of non-economic observations. If Obama could actually
implement his healthcare reforms in their entirety, the Laws of
Economics would bring it down. Both medical malpractice tort
reform and the myth of savings from preventative medicine would
doom it. McCain, OTOH, is an example of both excessive
privatization and "what the left hand giveth, the right hand
taketh away" in that the $5,000 refundable tax credit to buy
health care has a tax all company-provided health care to be
taxed under current IRS regs for what is called "imputed income",
he doesn't need much of Congressional action for that.

BTW, does anybody know exactly how taxes can be cut for 95% of
working people when 40% pay no taxes at all? Yeah, I know, it is
really welfare in the form of refundable tax credits. And,
anybody know the truth about what happens when you creat a soak
the rich scheme, either of them? Yeah, aggregate tax revenues go
down.

If there is one good thing for the American people and those of
us who prefer a free market system to class warfare and Marxist
wealth redistribution fiats is that neither candidate will be
able to do very much; their hands are effectively tied by the
realities of today's bailouts.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Efficiency is doing things right, effectiveness is doing the
right things" - Peter Drucker

frank added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

He;s actually lowering the taxes for the middle class and
raising them for the top 1% or so. Make over a million you're
going to take a big hit. But you can afford it if you make a
million. There are rural farmers making 20 grand in upstate
New York. If you're making multi millions, you can afford it,
ditto the CEO that got double digit millions for a few weeks
of work. Nice job if you can get it. By the way, company was
taken over in the bailout.

How well do you hear "horse****!" Please examine the actual words
in the plan itself and not campaign rhetoric from either
candidate. YOu may be both surprised and dismayed.

I think they can afford a Social Security / Medicaire cap
removal also.

Not quite. He creates what is called a "donut hole" for Medicare
Part D prescription coverage in that taxes for both workers and
employers still stop at today's upper limit but then restart at
$250,000.

If either candidate wanted to make Social Security and Medicare
taxes, especially SS, they would remove it's inherrent
regressiveness and only START charging taxes at,say, $40,000 but
removing the entire top cap. I am not a Socialist but I do feel
the pain for the working poor who don't have a portfolio to be
lost in the economic meltdown and the same poor that never come
within even 25% of hitting the SS cap.

Whatever your candidate preferences, you have that right in a
(still?) free society but it is crucial to look at least a little
beyong the stump speeches.

I'm not all that worried about Obama's medical records unless
maybe he's hiding some truths about what doctors he saw during
his days of drinking and doing drugs which lasted at least
through his undergraduate years at Columbia. Nobody knows what he
did at Harvard Law as everything is sealed. We do know the title
of his Columbia senior thesis which was something like "The Use
of Disarmament to End the Cold War" when it was written in 1983
or so.

Keep in mind that this was in Reagan's first term and the news of
the day was the SDI known as Star Wars. As we now know from
history, the Cold War ended NOT through unbridled negotiation or
naive give-aways, but because it was confronted by overwhelming
strength to the point that the laws of economics toppled the
Soviet Union.

Now, exactly what Putin will eventually do is anybody's guess.


--
HP, aka Jerry

"Efficiency is doing things right, effectiveness is doing the
right things" - Peter Drucker

catpandaddy added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Oh, I have absolutely no doubt that the big business people
can afford it, but the problem is that any factor that
increases or decreases your budget will cause a business to
adjust accordingly, just the same as those of us pulling down
the unskilled wages have to adjust our own budgets. Even when
a big business gets into a money crunch, even if it can
"afford" it, it's still going to have to adjust the budget,
and one of the first things to happen is that more corners get
cut. It's a vicious cycle.

The "big people" have demonstrated time and time and time again
that they are quite skilled at moving money off shore and into
sheltered investments so they won't be hurt. Who is really hurt
is the upper middle class from about $100-150,000 when they find
out what the tax scheme for them really is.

As an aside, please consider this: poor folk want to be lower
middle class, middle class wants to be upper middle, and uppper
middle WANTs to get nailed by Obama.That is called the American
Dream and is the most powerful incentive to work hard and
innovate the world has ever known.



--
HP, aka Jerry

"Efficiency is doing things right, effectiveness is doing the
right things" - Peter Drucker

catpandaddy added these comments in the current
discussion du
jour ...

Obama has promised tax cuts for most Americans.

As did Bill Clinton. How'd that work out?

With a balanced budget and a strong economy.

True enough, but how about the rest of the story?

The dot.com bubble actually burst on Clinton's watch
but nobody knew about it. The tax surpluses were really
created by cooking the books but nobody knew it. And
Clinton's NSA knew that al Qaeda was training
terrorists for an airline attack. Clinton told the Bush
tranistion team, headed by incoming NSA Condi Rice, all
about the airline scheme but she - by her own admission
- didn't tell the president until August, 2001.

Oops! Forgot to tell the sordid truth. And, who can
forget the president having to shut his own wife's
healthcare reform heist down in 1994? Dang, I don't
recall Hillary ever being confirmed by the Senate as a
Clinton appointee to reform healthcare, do you.

Have a real nice day, OK?




--
HP, aka Jerry

"Efficiency is doing things right, effectiveness is
doing the right things" - Peter Drucker

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
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Have a real nice day, OK?

You as well. Though I've only seen a few of your messages over here in the
newsgroup I'm reading this thread from, I like your systematic approach to
breaking things down and looking at things carefully. Just wanted to say
that's a good thing.

"That80sGuy" wrote in message
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In message , gemini jackson
done wrote:

On 15 Oct 2008 11:01:03 GMT, That80sGuy wrote:

And Obama's plan has a balanced budget for FY2010? Didn't think so.
Obama voted for the $700B bailout. That's $58B a month. So Obama is 3X
more irresponsible than Bush, astounding as that may be.

What's astounding is the narrow minded attempt to skew the details to
be in favor of your candidate instead of using unbiased facts. McCain
voted for the bailout too.

Where have I stated support for McCain? Oh, that's right, I haven't.
Because I don't. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated that the ONLY
method you have to "support" Obama is to say that he's not McCain.

And even that is wrong. Obama IS McCain. McCain is Bush. Bush is
Clinton. ALL corrupt. ALL evil. ALL the same.

We are all Jeffy!!!!!

HEMI-Powered wrote:
Here's one to just fan the flames of discord: ....All of his papers, all
of his exams, and even his Harvard Law Review articles are 100%
locked up somehow.

You see, this is the kind of patently false claim that undermines anything
else that might be useful in your post. To repeat it says that you are
unable to look at a statement and make an intelligent, critical evaluation
of its validity. Anyone looking at that statement should immediately ask:

How could law review articles be "100% locked up" when the Harvard Law
Review is distributed world wide? Obama was there in 1990. Did someone go
and buy them all up 15 years after they were published? Did they then pay
off or murder all the people who they bought the copies from? What about the
copies that are right now in the law library down the street? Did they
publish replacement copies and smuggle them into every law library in the
world? Yeah, that's it.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

"That80sGuy" wrote in message
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As did Bill Clinton. How'd that work out?

With a balanced budget and a strong economy.

Hah. The budget was "balanced" by raiding the SS trust fund. The "strong
economy"? How much stock you buy in March '00, McFly? NASDAQ 5000 ring a
bell? How much of that 5000 'DAQ was REAL? NONE OF IT. All bubble. Oh,
and Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagal. And he oversaw Frank
Raines at Fannie. And he expanded the Community Reinvestment Act.
Bubble.
Bubble. Bubble.

Call it Bubba's Bubble.

"Bubba's Bubble"... I like! Can I swipe that for a sig file?