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Chris Loffredo wrote: Scott W wrote: O.K., avoiding the great debate (for the moment). Just, all your pictures have an American flag in them: Is it an article of the Patriot Act that all photos need to have a US flag in them? I've lived in seven different countries and, AFAIK, I have no pictures of flags. Oh well, de gustibus... It's not me, it is where I live. I did not even notice the flags in the photos, show how much the flag flies around here. When I was in Canada taking photos I did notice I ended up with a fair number of photos with the Canadian flay in them. Scott |
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"Charles Schuler" wrote in message ... I have heard these kinds of comments and often find that they are sort of an urban legend similar to some who insist tube amplifiers sound better than solid-state amplifiers. Double-blind tests always do them in (they can't consistently identify the type of amplifier). I have recently joined a camera club - which means photographic competitions. All very good natured and a nice way to get an experienced eye to view your photographs. The judges in the three competitions I have so far entered have had a go at guessing whether shots are film or digital. I am pleased to report that they often get it wrong. John |
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Scott W wrote: Chris Loffredo wrote: Scott W wrote: O.K., avoiding the great debate (for the moment). Just, all your pictures have an American flag in them: Is it an article of the Patriot Act that all photos need to have a US flag in them? I've lived in seven different countries and, AFAIK, I have no pictures of flags. Oh well, de gustibus... It's not me, it is where I live. I did not even notice the flags in the photos, show how much the flag flies around here. When I was in Canada taking photos I did notice I ended up with a fair number of photos with the Canadian flay in them. Scott I'm just getting started in digital photography. I shot film for years (60's into the 80's) and eventually lost interest. I considered myself a serious amateur and sold some of my work. My eye isn't terribly sharp, compared to my son's, who is a professional photojournalist. So all I can say is, I'd love to have taken any of these pix! I can also say that I disagree with the "if you want it to look like film, shoot film" comments. There are so many advantages to digital, I'm discovering, that it certainly makes sense to try to duplicate film as closely as you can using a far more user-friendly medium. Keep up the good work! And thanks for sharing with us. |
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In article .com,
says... wrote: In article , says... I have heard these kinds of comments and often find that they are sort of an urban legend similar to some who insist tube amplifiers sound better than solid-state amplifiers. Double-blind tests always do them in (they can't consistently identify the type of amplifier). Which studies? I have been recording these amps for 30 years and they sound different and many people "can" tell the difference in double blind studies. Helps if they have an ear. "The tests you are referring to may have been skewed to make solid state win out." Easy to do. And, some people prefer soild state but whenever someone comments on great tones I have it is always when I have used a tube amp. Some folks even try to say things like plastic sounds as good or the same as wood to make guitars and violins. Really? It is not "urban legend" it is a lack of an "ear" or having a good one in most cases. Do you really think transistors and tubes react the same and make the same overtones and harmonics and that people can't tell a difference? Really, talk to any audio professional, not your local podunk sound guy, a real producer of music. Man, it is really a sad state when folks can't tell the difference but it does show why really bad music can sell really well. Sometimes I wonder why those of us who can tell the diff even bother to do a decent job at all. Some photography folks are truly informed and prefer film, but they are not always the ones making these kinds of comments. As you pointed out, digital manipulation can produce various effects. I can tell the difference bewteen transistor and tube power amps. I prefer trannies... I prefer trannies for playback and for bass but not for guitar or keys. See, it is nice when we have a choice. |
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says... I have heard these kinds of comments and often find that they are sort of an urban legend similar to some who insist tube amplifiers sound better than solid-state amplifiers. Double-blind tests always do them in (they can't consistently identify the type of amplifier). Which studies? I have been recording these amps for 30 years and they sound different and many people "can" tell the difference in double blind studies. Filtering issues aside, you can only tell if you drive the amp into non-linearity. http://milbert.com/tstxt.htm "Engineers and musicians have long debated the question of tube sound versus transistor sound. Previous attempts to measure this difference have always assumed linear operation of the test amplifier. This conventional method of frequency response, distortion and noise measurement has shown that no significant difference exists." And how could it? But of course, if you are the sort who likes to over-drive your amplifiers, then hey, the more power to ya. Or at least to the inputs of your amplifiers. |
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I prefer trannies for playback and for bass but not for guitar or keys.
See, it is nice when we have a choice. Of course. A choice is what it is all about. It does not have to be a reasoned choice that is based on facts. In a capitalistic democracy, we vote with our credit cards. Tube amplifiers clip differently than sold state amplifiers and thus have a different spectral dispersion of harmonic distortion amplitudes. It's mostly a bunch of nit-picking and cannot be detected in double-blind listening tests. Monster cables are another example of urban legends. They are an example of a success story based on BS! Gotta love them for what they have accomplished with sheer psychology and almost zero engineering expertise. Some just want to believe in the tooth fairy and some of us don't really care, but have a hard time to always stay quiet. Sorry to offend posters here ... I just simply disagree. Science is self correcting and BS is self feeding. |
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