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On 2010-01-01 17:17:42 -0800, "Bill Graham" said:
"Savageduck" wrote in message news:2010010117015150073-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-01-01 16:41:55 -0800, "Bill Graham" said: "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Peter" wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote in message ... "Peter" wrote in message ... Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value" preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to photography.) -- Peter weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes.....How about their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head, but they are quick to make laws governing it. And their tobacco taxes that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? No, it isn't just the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's business....... Let's take things one at a time: If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs with your second hand smoke. Who said anything about your lungs? I would have to pay $10 a pack whether your lungs were screwed up or not, so that has nothing to do with the liberals using the tax laws to control the morality of the people, does it? Now let's look at a helmet law. If you brain damage yourself, it would seem like your business. But, who is going to support you if you can't work, if you don't have the means to support yourself. Why should you force me to take care of you in that circumstance. Come to think of it, why should I pay for your lung disease recovery, simply because you want to smoke? Do you also object to DUI laws? -- Peter The DUI laws affect other people on the road.....If you are drunk, you could drive across the double line and hurt me. But why would you care whether or not I wear a helmet? As a matter of fact, your chances of surviving an accident with me are better if I am NOT wearing a helmet. Also, my chances of getting in an accident in the first place are greater when I am wearing a helmet, which restricts my ability to see and hear. And, while we are on the subject, I carry a full boat of health insurance, so you don't have to pay anything to fix me, buddy.....I pay for my own repair. But this is typical of you liberals. first, you make a law that steals my tax dollars and uses them to pay for someone else's health insurance, than you use that as an excuse to make laws that govern how well I take care of my self so I don't incur an expense to YOU.....Give me a break! First, just leave my money alone, and let me take care of myself with it, and then leave my lifestyle alone, so I can break my own head if I want to. If you can't see that there is a difference between DUI laws and helmet and seat belt laws, then there is no way that we can have any sort of rational discussion on this subject. You know, there is another reason than money why I am opposed to the Obama health plan....there is a philosophical difference between people paying for their own health care and letting the government (taxpayers) pay for it. If you are paying your own way, then your lifestyle will (and should) affect your premiums, and the insurance companies will charge you more for endangering your life and health.But when the government just insures everyone automatically, then there is no individual responsibility, and people will drive, eat, drink, and live generally like there's no tomorrow. Good health care is expensive, and that's the way it ought to be. By costing you money, it insures that you will fully realize the cost of not taking good care of yourself. It's the same old argument....Socialism takes away individual responsibility, and this also takes away your freedom to do what you want to do, and pay your own way. I have to pay $1450 a month for three people, and this is one of the reasons why I no longer ride a motorcycle, and no longer smoke tobacco. I didn't need any laws to convince me of this.....It was my own choice. You no longer smoke tobacco!! Then why even bitch about what a pack might cost you? Thinking of slipping back into the ranks of the puffers? -- Regards, Savageduck Surely you're not serious? Do you think that we should all only take care of ourselves, and not pay any attention to the constitutionality of our laws. How about a law that takes all of Bill Gates' money away from him and distributes it to the rest of us? We would all vote for it, (except Bill Gates) because we would all gain from it. That's what the US Constitution is for.....To protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. That's why we don't live in a Democracy, but rather in a Constitutional Republic. If they can control smoking by simply taxing the hell out of a pack of cigs, then they can control anything I might like to do by taxing the hell out of it.....And pretty soon they will....Tell me, Sduck, what is it you like to do? First, I don't and never have smoked. I enjoy fine dining a few times a month and fit that into my budget. I enjoy an occasional glass of good (not outrageously expensive) wine. There is certainly tax on that, and Der Guvernator has seen fit to increase the tax on that, but I deal with that rationally. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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"Gary Theilsen" wrote: On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" wrote: If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs with your second hand smoke. You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person has ever died from second-hand smoke? That's simply quite wrong. The amount of excess morbidity and mortality due to second hand smoke is small, but definately not zero. The worst victims are spouses and children of smokers. (I think that the problem of paying for the medical care of smokers is serious enough that second hand smoke issue isn't worth worrying about, though.) It's a well documented problem. You could read about it and learn if you wanted instead of taking an entertainment show at face value. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/secondhandsmoke.html -- David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Gary Theilsen wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" wrote: If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs with your second hand smoke. You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person has ever died from second-hand smoke? Smirk. That sound a lot like the claims of robacco companies who insist that there's no evidence proving that tobacco causes cancer. Or the classic "guns don't kill people ...". -- Ray Fischer |
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Bill Graham wrote:
weg9 says: And so what would prevent me from living like there's no tomorrow for N years, and then, when I am getting old and sick, just applying for the government's health plan where some poor insurance company is forced to insure me, and then going into the hospital for some serious late stage health care? Look.....It's very simple. I have been living and working in this country ever since I was 18 years old. I have always maintained a full coverage health plan, Graham has already stated that he enjoys considerable benefits from Medicare. That means that he does NOT maintain a full coverage health plan. He uses the government's health care plan. and devoted a part of my income to this end. Now, after working for over 40 years, I am retired, and still paying into an excellent health plan, Which is only a small supplement to your government-run health plan. and my government wants to tax the hell out of me so that they can insure everybody's health. The rightard makes up a fiction to whine about. These are the people who, when I was paying for my health care and driving a VW bug, were Ad hominem. I do not, (repeat) DO NOT believe in distribution of wealth. You prefer to keep it all for yourself. -- Ray Fischer |
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"Savageduck" wrote in message news:2010010117333643658-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-01-01 17:17:30 -0800, Gary Theilsen said: On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" wrote: If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs with your second hand smoke. You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased and badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking any factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users, nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off in exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and exploit a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now using that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever could. Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks' paranoid nonsense and stupidity. So, second hand smoke isn't going to kill me. I'll buy that. Now tell me how second hand smoke isn't going to make me choke & cough, my eyes water, my clothes stink, and any other unpleasantness non-smokers would have to endure so those addicted to a corporate drug can indulge themselves. -- Regards, Savageduck weg9 says: If you really believe its a drug, then why are you happy letting your government deal in it? Either make a law against it, or believe what I believe.....That everyone should be allowed access to any drug they want anytime they want it. (Including prescription drugs) |
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On 1/1/10 5:46 PM, in article , "Ray Fischer" wrote: Bill Graham wrote: "Peter" wrote in message Of course one never knows what really went on in another's house. My point is these guys have no business trying to dictate to me how I should conduct my family life. How many of these "family value" preachers turn out to be drug abusers, adulterers and closet gay. Think attempted pick ups in a bathroom. True one pixel does not make a picture, but multiple pixels certainly do. (Hadda get back to photography.) weg9 says: I agree, but if you don't think the liberals tell me how to live, then you haven't tried on a pair of my shoes..... And yet it is the rightards who insist upon imposing their "mrality" upon everyone. How about their helmet laws? It isn't their business what I want to do to my head, are quick to make laws governing it. Who pays for the roads? Who pays to support a brain-damaged idiot? If you want to ride without a helment you're free to do so on your own roads. And their tobacco taxes that run the price of a pack of cigs to nearly $10? Graham wants to leech off of society without paying anything. Why should people be forced to breathe the poisonous stench of cigarette smoke and put up with countless cigarette butts? It costs people money and smokers should pay the bill. No, it isn't just the religious right that sticks its nose into other people's business....... It's you hypocritical rightards who think that you have the right to screw other people without paying the costs. I'm not generally a typo-cop, but, FishRot-Head, you are either still drunk after New Year's, or you are so friggin angry with your veins bulging that you are chancing a coronary. Calm, boy! Down! |
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"Gary Theilsen" wrote in message
... On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" wrote: If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs with your second hand smoke. You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased and badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking any factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users, nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off in exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and exploit a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now using that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever could. Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks' paranoid nonsense and stupidity. Exactly in what way was the research flawed? -- Peter |
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"Bill Graham" wrote in message
... "Savageduck" wrote in message news:2010010117333643658-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-01-01 17:17:30 -0800, Gary Theilsen said: On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" wrote: If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs with your second hand smoke. You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person has ever died from second-hand smoke? All of this started by one biased and badly done research paper that was later dismissed in court as lacking any factual evidence at all. Penn & Teller are not even smokers, drug-users, nor drinkers, but they will try to uncover and defend the truth whenever possible as much as possible. They are taking up where Houdini left off in exposing frauds and charlatans that use trickery to manipulate and exploit a gullible audience. They know all about how that works (on an entertainment stage for entertainment purposes only) so they are now using that knowledge to expose those that use trickery and manipulation tactics for ill-gotten gains. Like the smoke banning issue. Do you know how much money is being had by the drug-companies in advertising their "stop smoking" drugs, some of the "side effects" from their drugs so terrible that they kill, or permanently damage people worse than cigarettes ever could. Go educate yourself instead of parroting all other control-freaks' paranoid nonsense and stupidity. So, second hand smoke isn't going to kill me. I'll buy that. Now tell me how second hand smoke isn't going to make me choke & cough, my eyes water, my clothes stink, and any other unpleasantness non-smokers would have to endure so those addicted to a corporate drug can indulge themselves. -- Regards, Savageduck weg9 says: If you really believe its a drug, then why are you happy letting your government deal in it? Either make a law against it, or believe what I believe.....That everyone should be allowed access to any drug they want anytime they want it. (Including prescription drugs) Do you drink alcohol? -- Peter |
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On 1/1/10 7:43 PM, in article , "Ray Fischer" wrote: Gary Theilsen wrote: On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:38:41 -0500, "Peter" wrote: If you want to smoke, that's your business. But, don't screw up my lungs with your second hand smoke. You need to watch Penn & Teller's cable show called "Bull****!", the episode where they cover this issue. Are you aware that not even ONE person has ever died from second-hand smoke? Smirk. That sound a lot like the claims of robacco companies who insist that there's no evidence proving that tobacco causes cancer. Or the classic "guns don't kill people ...". Again, Fish-Head, you have become irrelevant and your condition is indicated by your typing. See a doc, STAT! |
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"Bill Graham" wrote in message
... Surely you're not serious? Do you think that we should all only take care of ourselves, and not pay any attention to the constitutionality of our laws. How about a law that takes all of Bill Gates' money away from him and distributes it to the rest of us? We would all vote for it, (except Bill Gates) because we would all gain from it. That's what the US Constitution is for.....To protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. That's why we don't live in a Democracy, but rather in a Constitutional Republic. If they can control smoking by simply taxing the hell out of a pack of cigs, then they can control anything I might like to do by taxing the hell out of it.....And pretty soon they will....Tell me, Sduck, what is it you like to do? they is us. -- Peter |
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