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In article , PeterN
wrote: microsoft does notify users a lot but the download can be deferred. however, deferring it is stupid because win10 is only free for a year. Paying for it later could be worthwhile. My choice is to wait. All too often free, is not free. it's free if you download it in the first year. after that you pay for it, at least based on the current plan. you don't have to install it when you download it. in other words, it's stupid to *not* download it now. you can still wait as long as you want after downloading to install it. |
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On 9/12/2015 4:08 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| Have you tried Win-10 yourself? | No. For a number of reasons. No blocking updates. Ads. Spyware. No blocking calling home. Metro apps. Any of those is reason enough for me to stay away. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft have no more right tracking my computer than Toyota does tracking my movements, simply because I drive a Toyota. So even for free I have no intention of using such a product. Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS installed, they can track you. If you use an EZ pass, you can be tracked. The question everybody has to answer for themselves, is whether the convenience gained worth the loss of privacy. It would be like trying an iPhone. $600 for a locked down device that controls what I can install while Apple and half the apps spy on me. That's not something I would consider even if they gave them away for free. The whole deal is simply unacceptable. I suspect the loss of privacy is true to some degree with just about any phone. You can be tracked through cell tower triangulation. As for the Win10 beta, I've never understood why people agree to do Microsoft's beta testing for them for free. People think it's a privilege. As far as I'm concerned they're just suckers, working for free for a company that's taking in some $50B/year. There was a time when one was compensated for beta testing: A free copy of the final product; Listing as an expert consultant in the use of the product; a partnership that permitted you to receive the publisher's products for a large discount. etc. I mainly use XP. I also have Win7. I tried Win8. Once. Metro is spyware. Metro is services. None of it belongs on a Desktop. Win8 is a mess, as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to waste a lot of time trying to adapt to a product I don't like and have no need for. I regard Win7 as somewhat usable. If I ever have to move from XP, 7 might be OK. But when I first used Win7 I actually spent about 2 weeks figuring out how to clean it up -- fixing file restrictions, setting up a firewall... It gets worse with every version and I'm tired of wasting time trying to tame things that Microsoft has made inflexible. There are numerous little things. From file restrictions to Quick Launch toolbar, NT6 (Win Vista+) requires one to jump through ever more semi-secret tweaking hoops to make it behave as desired. An OS is supposed to be a *platform* for software. It should do it's job and get out of the way. But that's not how it's going with Windows versions. My experience has been that each Windows version is more overproduced, more bloated and less flexible than the one before. Each needs more fixing, and the fixing is becoming more limited. There are also some advantages. For instance, XP is far more efficient and hardier on the same hardware than 98 was, providing it gets plenty of RAM. But Win98 was more customizable and wasn't crippled by Product Activation. At present I find XP to be very usable. I can fix the things I don't like. And there's nothing I need that XP can't do. That will surely change eventually, but for the foreseeable future there just isn't a selling point to later versions of Windows, and there are numerous aspects I don't like. But I've been writing Windows software for many years, and I like using Windows in general, so I want and need to keep up with what's happening. That's why I have so much info and links. I've been told that my software runs fine on Win10. Backward compatibility has been maintained, for the most part. That's my main concern. If I have occasion to get a free Win10 PC I wouldn't refuse it. I could use it for testing. I'd be curious. But I wouldn't let it go online. -- PeterN |
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On 9/12/2015 4:21 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| http://cohornlaw.com/what-attorneys-...ow-about-windo | ws-10-and-microsofts-new-privacy-policies/ | | more bull****. | Read the privacy policy. Microsoft goes into great detail about exactly what they collect and how much of it is voluntary. Some of it also related to software. For instance, if you use Cortana it will collect more info in order to study you and predict what you want. One can disable Cortana. (Though it still seems to call home.) There's no need to argue about it. It's all spelled out. In legal terms, here's another very interesting link. http://wakeforestlawreview.com/readi...nd-privacy-law You might not care about companies spying on you and rifling through your communications, but what's explained at the link above is how your passivity can change your rights. Allowing spying changes the generally accepted public standard about acceptible behavior. That can then affect court rulings. Google has already tried to use a defense that essentially says, "People can't sue us for spying on them because it's common practice and they should know we're spying on them." http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles...-action-status Food for thought. Or in your case, food for reactionism. It seems to me that those who claim they have nothing to hide, are those who want to pry into my business. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: No. For a number of reasons. No blocking updates. Ads. Spyware. No blocking calling home. Metro apps. Any of those is reason enough for me to stay away. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft have no more right tracking my computer than Toyota does tracking my movements, simply because I drive a Toyota. So even for free I have no intention of using such a product. Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS installed, they can track you. no they can't. a gps device does not transmit. If you use an EZ pass, you can be tracked. yes. The question everybody has to answer for themselves, is whether the convenience gained worth the loss of privacy. correct. It would be like trying an iPhone. $600 for a locked down device that controls what I can install while Apple and half the apps spy on me. That's not something I would consider even if they gave them away for free. The whole deal is simply unacceptable. I suspect the loss of privacy is true to some degree with just about any phone. You can be tracked through cell tower triangulation. true. As for the Win10 beta, I've never understood why people agree to do Microsoft's beta testing for them for free. People think it's a privilege. As far as I'm concerned they're just suckers, working for free for a company that's taking in some $50B/year. There was a time when one was compensated for beta testing: A free copy of the final product; Listing as an expert consultant in the use of the product; a partnership that permitted you to receive the publisher's products for a large discount. etc. that still happens. windows insiders got win10 for free, even without win7/8. |
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On 09/15/2015 02:07 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: No. For a number of reasons. No blocking updates. Ads. Spyware. No blocking calling home. Metro apps. Any of those is reason enough for me to stay away. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft have no more right tracking my computer than Toyota does tracking my movements, simply because I drive a Toyota. So even for free I have no intention of using such a product. Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS installed, they can track you. no they can't. a gps device does not transmit. Many apps can use GPS to track you. If you use an EZ pass, you can be tracked. yes. The question everybody has to answer for themselves, is whether the convenience gained worth the loss of privacy. correct. It would be like trying an iPhone. $600 for a locked down device that controls what I can install while Apple and half the apps spy on me. That's not something I would consider even if they gave them away for free. The whole deal is simply unacceptable. I suspect the loss of privacy is true to some degree with just about any phone. You can be tracked through cell tower triangulation. true. As for the Win10 beta, I've never understood why people agree to do Microsoft's beta testing for them for free. People think it's a privilege. As far as I'm concerned they're just suckers, working for free for a company that's taking in some $50B/year. There was a time when one was compensated for beta testing: A free copy of the final product; Listing as an expert consultant in the use of the product; a partnership that permitted you to receive the publisher's products for a large discount. etc. that still happens. windows insiders got win10 for free, even without win7/8. -- Caver1 |
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In article , Caver1
wrote: On 09/15/2015 02:07 PM, nospam wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: No. For a number of reasons. No blocking updates. Ads. Spyware. No blocking calling home. Metro apps. Any of those is reason enough for me to stay away. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft have no more right tracking my computer than Toyota does tracking my movements, simply because I drive a Toyota. So even for free I have no intention of using such a product. Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS installed, they can track you. no they can't. a gps device does not transmit. Many apps can use GPS to track you. no they don't and he didn't say gps apps anyway. he said a gps installed. a gps *cannot* track anyone because it doesn't transmit anything. there are gps tracking devices but that's something entirely different and intentionally installed so that tracking can be done, such as with fleet vehicles. as for apps, apps don't track users via gps because it will exhaust the battery unless that's their purpose, in which case it's obvious. |
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On 9/15/2015 12:07 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: microsoft does notify users a lot but the download can be deferred. however, deferring it is stupid because win10 is only free for a year. Paying for it later could be worthwhile. My choice is to wait. All too often free, is not free. it's free if you download it in the first year. after that you pay for it, at least based on the current plan. you don't have to install it when you download it. in other words, it's stupid to *not* download it now. you can still wait as long as you want after downloading to install it. You must also believe in free lunches. -- PeterN |
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On 9/15/2015 2:07 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: No. For a number of reasons. No blocking updates. Ads. Spyware. No blocking calling home. Metro apps. Any of those is reason enough for me to stay away. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft have no more right tracking my computer than Toyota does tracking my movements, simply because I drive a Toyota. So even for free I have no intention of using such a product. Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS installed, they can track you. no they can't. a gps device does not transmit. Wrong. Most GPS devices that come installed in cars transmit location information. Or, do you think that when I call Lexus Enform, or Onstar, they use magic to know where I am, and whether I will have traffic along my route. If you use an EZ pass, you can be tracked. yes. The question everybody has to answer for themselves, is whether the convenience gained worth the loss of privacy. correct. It would be like trying an iPhone. $600 for a locked down device that controls what I can install while Apple and half the apps spy on me. That's not something I would consider even if they gave them away for free. The whole deal is simply unacceptable. I suspect the loss of privacy is true to some degree with just about any phone. You can be tracked through cell tower triangulation. true. As for the Win10 beta, I've never understood why people agree to do Microsoft's beta testing for them for free. People think it's a privilege. As far as I'm concerned they're just suckers, working for free for a company that's taking in some $50B/year. There was a time when one was compensated for beta testing: A free copy of the final product; Listing as an expert consultant in the use of the product; a partnership that permitted you to receive the publisher's products for a large discount. etc. that still happens. windows insiders got win10 for free, even without win7/8. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS installed, they can track you. no they can't. a gps device does not transmit. Wrong. it's not wrong. Most GPS devices that come installed in cars transmit location information. a gps navigation device does not transmit. period. a gps *tracking* device transmits but that's something else entirely, and obviously designed to transmit location. that's the whole point of a tracking device. vehicles do not come with tracking devices. fleet vehicles might have such a tracking device installed, but that's because the company wants to know where their drivers are. Or, do you think that when I call Lexus Enform, or Onstar, they use magic to know where I am, and whether I will have traffic along my route. onstar is not a gps device. onstar is a *service* which can use your gps location to call for help and other stuff. i'm not surprised you don't understand the difference. |
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:07:22 -0400, nospam
wrote: Today rights of privacy are almost meaningless. If you have GPS installed, they can track you. no they can't. a gps device does not transmit. Well yes, but that's a pretty simplistic view of the technologies now used. Many cellular phones use A-GPS in addition to GPS specifically to improve time to first fix and that data is made available to emergency call dispatchers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS In addition if you use your cellphone as GPS in your car it may well download travel data. Mine does both. Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- p-0.0-h the cat Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat, Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, ******* hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy, Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath, the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infâme, the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll, shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook, smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag, liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, the most complete ignoid, and furball. NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery. By Appointment to God Frank-Lin. Signature integrity check md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896 |
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