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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
The V really reminds me of Kodak's Instamatic Reflex. Even the concept
is the same: give P&S users a step-up camera. But, like the Instamatic Reflex, the 1 series may never provide the benefits of a "real" camera. The Instamatic Reflex had the training wheels bolted on. That said, I like the 1 series cameras, but I wonder who will buy them? If they're aimed at P&S users looking to step up, why would they spend that much and NOT get an SLR? Maybe if the price was about 35% lower it would make sense, but at these levels? |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:02:45 -0400, Bowser wrote:
: The V really reminds me of Kodak's Instamatic Reflex. Even the concept : is the same: give P&S users a step-up camera. But, like the Instamatic : Reflex, the 1 series may never provide the benefits of a "real" camera. : The Instamatic Reflex had the training wheels bolted on. : : That said, I like the 1 series cameras, but I wonder who will buy them? : If they're aimed at P&S users looking to step up, why would they spend : that much and NOT get an SLR? Maybe if the price was about 35% lower it : would make sense, but at these levels? Maybe the market consists of those who insist on being as unobtrusive as possible or who can't or won't carry anything heavier. I was out at Porter Square this afternoon, lugging my huge Domke bag and flexing my trigger finger to ring in the fall Web photography season, and I could see that everyone around me was watching and wondering what the hell I was up to. And there's my wife, who refuses to own any camera heavier than a Canon Rebel and has to be persuaded to carry an external flash or a telephoto lens. If she weren't married to a DSLR zealot, she might well see a mirrorless or pellicle camera as a step upwards at a minimal increase (or even a decrease) in weight. I think the bottom line is that Nikon's line may succeed in spite of itself, and the degree of that success could surprise us all. Beyond that, it's hard not to believe that as computing power continues to follow (or exceed) Moore's Law, both the mirror and the mechanical shutter are doomed in the long run. Bob |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
Bowser writes:
That said, I like the 1 series cameras, but I wonder who will buy them? If they're aimed at P&S users looking to step up, why would they spend that much and NOT get an SLR? Maybe if the price was about 35% lower it would make sense, but at these levels? Because they're afraid of DSLRs. Because they don't want the size/weight of DSLRs. Because they see value in the high frame rates and "best shot" mode. Because they value the quiet operation. I'm probably missing some, too; but there's quite a set of valid reasons. If it weren't so new (i.e. if my information on it included a lot more from people actually using it) it might well be what I recommended instead to the last person I recommended buy a DSLR (he was annoyed beyond bounds by the slow response of his P&S trying to get pictures of his children, a not-uncommon interest of non-enthusiast photographers). |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
On 9/27/2011 1:53 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
writes: That said, I like the 1 series cameras, but I wonder who will buy them? If they're aimed at P&S users looking to step up, why would they spend that much and NOT get an SLR? Maybe if the price was about 35% lower it would make sense, but at these levels? Because they're afraid of DSLRs. Because they don't want the size/weight of DSLRs. Because they see value in the high frame rates and "best shot" mode. Because they value the quiet operation. I'm probably missing some, too; but there's quite a set of valid reasons. If it weren't so new (i.e. if my information on it included a lot more from people actually using it) it might well be what I recommended instead to the last person I recommended buy a DSLR (he was annoyed beyond bounds by the slow response of his P&S trying to get pictures of his children, a not-uncommon interest of non-enthusiast photographers). I guess we'll see how it sells, but Nikon sure priced it high for a P&S step up cam. |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
On 9/28/2011 6:52 AM, Bowser wrote:
On 9/27/2011 1:53 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: writes: That said, I like the 1 series cameras, but I wonder who will buy them? If they're aimed at P&S users looking to step up, why would they spend that much and NOT get an SLR? Maybe if the price was about 35% lower it would make sense, but at these levels? Because they're afraid of DSLRs. Because they don't want the size/weight of DSLRs. Because they see value in the high frame rates and "best shot" mode. Because they value the quiet operation. I'm probably missing some, too; but there's quite a set of valid reasons. If it weren't so new (i.e. if my information on it included a lot more from people actually using it) it might well be what I recommended instead to the last person I recommended buy a DSLR (he was annoyed beyond bounds by the slow response of his P&S trying to get pictures of his children, a not-uncommon interest of non-enthusiast photographers). I guess we'll see how it sells, but Nikon sure priced it high for a P&S step up cam. The market will determine the street price. -- Peter |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
In article , Bruce
wrote: We teach users to prefocus with a half press of the shutter release, wait for the subject to reach the prefocused distance and shoot. The success rate is surprisingly high. It also makes people think about what they are shooting, rather than just snap away at random, so the images are often very good. Small focusing errors don't matter because of the huge depth of field offered by the small sensor. that helps with shutter lag on compacts. A problem with using a DSLR to shoot children is that the larger sensor means much more limited depth of field. This places a much greater demand on the AF system. Unfortunately, the continuous AF modes of entry-level DSLRs can leave a lot to be desired. The result is that sharply focused images can be an elusive goal for DSLR users. teach them to use a smaller f/stop for deeper depth of field. |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
In article , Bruce
wrote: A problem with using a DSLR to shoot children is that the larger sensor means much more limited depth of field. This places a much greater demand on the AF system. Unfortunately, the continuous AF modes of entry-level DSLRs can leave a lot to be desired. The result is that sharply focused images can be an elusive goal for DSLR users. teach them to use a smaller f/stop for deeper depth of field. At the same time as teaching them to use a fast shutter speed to freeze motion? If they then crank up the ISO, they will complain about noisy images. ;-) it'll match the p&s compact. there is no difference in depth of field for the same image quality. |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
On 9/28/2011 1:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
wrote: In , Bruce wrote: A problem with using a DSLR to shoot children is that the larger sensor means much more limited depth of field. This places a much greater demand on the AF system. Unfortunately, the continuous AF modes of entry-level DSLRs can leave a lot to be desired. The result is that sharply focused images can be an elusive goal for DSLR users. teach them to use a smaller f/stop for deeper depth of field. At the same time as teaching them to use a fast shutter speed to freeze motion? If they then crank up the ISO, they will complain about noisy images. ;-) it'll match the p&s compact. there is no difference in depth of field for the same image quality. True, but we aren't talking about the same people. One owns a p+s and not a DSLR, and the other bought a DSLR for reasons of better image quality and wouldn't be seen dead using a p+s. ;-) What a snobby thing to say. Many excellent amateur and Professional photographers who use DSLRs, will also use a P&S when they prefer not to carry a heavier camera. -- Peter |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
"Bruce" wrote in message news We teach users to prefocus with a half press of the shutter release, wait for the subject to reach the prefocused distance and shoot. The success rate is surprisingly high. It also makes people think about what they are shooting, rather than just snap away at random, so the images are often very good. Small focusing errors don't matter because of the huge depth of field offered by the small sensor. A problem with using a DSLR to shoot children is that the larger sensor means much more limited depth of field. This places a much greater demand on the AF system. Unfortunately, the continuous AF modes of entry-level DSLRs can leave a lot to be desired. The result is that sharply focused images can be an elusive goal for DSLR users. Why do you think the same "half press prefocus" does not work for DSLR users? And why they can't use smaller apertures if they want more latitude to focusing error? The ability of most DSLR's to produce far better pictures at far higher ISO means you can easily use smaller apertures if you want the same depth of field as those POS cameras. Not having the ability to throw backgrounds out of focus is often what makes those toy camera portraits less than satisfying though. Trevor. |
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I finally figures out what Nikon's new 1 cameras remind me of
"Bruce" wrote in message ... teach them to use a smaller f/stop for deeper depth of field. At the same time as teaching them to use a fast shutter speed to freeze motion? If they then crank up the ISO, they will complain about noisy images. ;-) Not when they compare a good DSLR pic to the POS pics. The ISO could be at least 4 stops higher for similar noise levels in most cases, often far more than that! Trevor. |
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