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A Nikon DSLR story
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote: Guy buys a D800. Has the left-focus issue. Gets a new one. Same issue. Guy sends new one in for fixing. They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. Seems they tried to "average" the error. Guy goes to Nikon directly. He's asking them, "just give me a new body." They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? |
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote: On Apr 19, 7:31*am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: Guy buys a D800. *Has the left-focus issue. *Gets a new one. *Same issue. *Guy sends new one in for fixing. *They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. *Seems they tried to "average" the error. *Guy goes to Nikon directly. *He's asking them, "just give me a new body." *They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. *Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. *Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. *The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. *Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" *Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? He said that this current one is as good as he's seen. It still has the left-side issue to a degree, but it's better and the other areas are fine. He said based on the conversations he had there, it's impossible with the current camera to fix it completely. I'd really love to know the mechanics of what has happened, just to know if it will require a brand new design to correct it. If Nikon releases a D900 with notable changes, that could be the reason. Pretty embarassing for Nikon. The introduce a potentially killer camera and it's handicapped with an AF issue. What a shame. I'd never pay that much for a camera and have to work around something as fundamental as an AF issue. |
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On 4/20/2013 12:03 PM, RichA wrote:
On Apr 20, 9:27 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Apr 19, 7:31 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: Guy buys a D800. Has the left-focus issue. Gets a new one. Same issue. Guy sends new one in for fixing. They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. Seems they tried to "average" the error. Guy goes to Nikon directly. He's asking them, "just give me a new body." They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? He said that this current one is as good as he's seen. It still has the left-side issue to a degree, but it's better and the other areas are fine. He said based on the conversations he had there, it's impossible with the current camera to fix it completely. I'd really love to know the mechanics of what has happened, just to know if it will require a brand new design to correct it. If Nikon releases a D900 with notable changes, that could be the reason. Pretty embarassing for Nikon. The introduce a potentially killer camera and it's handicapped with an AF issue. What a shame. I'd never pay that much for a camera and have to work around something as fundamental as an AF issue. Ironic that the cheapest cameras in the line don't seem to have these issues, or is it that their users don't notice them? Ironic that ou post an undocumented story, and forget to mention tht the issue has been fixed. Or, have you stopped reading DP Review. -- PeterN |
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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:19:40 -0400, PeterN
wrote: On 4/20/2013 12:03 PM, RichA wrote: On Apr 20, 9:27 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Apr 19, 7:31 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: Guy buys a D800. Has the left-focus issue. Gets a new one. Same issue. Guy sends new one in for fixing. They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. Seems they tried to "average" the error. Guy goes to Nikon directly. He's asking them, "just give me a new body." They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? He said that this current one is as good as he's seen. It still has the left-side issue to a degree, but it's better and the other areas are fine. He said based on the conversations he had there, it's impossible with the current camera to fix it completely. I'd really love to know the mechanics of what has happened, just to know if it will require a brand new design to correct it. If Nikon releases a D900 with notable changes, that could be the reason. Pretty embarassing for Nikon. The introduce a potentially killer camera and it's handicapped with an AF issue. What a shame. I'd never pay that much for a camera and have to work around something as fundamental as an AF issue. Ironic that the cheapest cameras in the line don't seem to have these issues, or is it that their users don't notice them? Ironic that ou post an undocumented story, and forget to mention tht the issue has been fixed. Or, have you stopped reading DP Review. I read DP Review, and still see many, many complaints about the two latest issues, the AF issue on the D800 and the "ink spots" on the D600. As far as I can see neither has been completely fixed. Then again, maybe I missed that story. Can you post a link to anything that confirms the AF fix? Not being sarcastic, but I really want to know since my brother is in the market for one. |
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On 4/21/2013 11:37 AM, Bowser wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:19:40 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 4/20/2013 12:03 PM, RichA wrote: On Apr 20, 9:27 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Apr 19, 7:31 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: Guy buys a D800. Has the left-focus issue. Gets a new one. Same issue. Guy sends new one in for fixing. They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. Seems they tried to "average" the error. Guy goes to Nikon directly. He's asking them, "just give me a new body." They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? He said that this current one is as good as he's seen. It still has the left-side issue to a degree, but it's better and the other areas are fine. He said based on the conversations he had there, it's impossible with the current camera to fix it completely. I'd really love to know the mechanics of what has happened, just to know if it will require a brand new design to correct it. If Nikon releases a D900 with notable changes, that could be the reason. Pretty embarassing for Nikon. The introduce a potentially killer camera and it's handicapped with an AF issue. What a shame. I'd never pay that much for a camera and have to work around something as fundamental as an AF issue. Ironic that the cheapest cameras in the line don't seem to have these issues, or is it that their users don't notice them? Ironic that ou post an undocumented story, and forget to mention tht the issue has been fixed. Or, have you stopped reading DP Review. I read DP Review, and still see many, many complaints about the two latest issues, the AF issue on the D800 and the "ink spots" on the D600. As far as I can see neither has been completely fixed. Then again, maybe I missed that story. Can you post a link to anything that confirms the AF fix? Not being sarcastic, but I really want to know since my brother is in the market for one. I do not have that issue on my D800. When i first got it I brought it into Nikon repair, and they carefully checked it out, while I waited. One of my friends, who is quite picky, also has one, and has not had the issue. Went out shooting this morning with two D600 owners, who have not voiced any complaints. Perhaps certain batches have the problem. This afternoon I am going to a presentation by a Nikon sponsored photographer, with whom I have had some very nice conversations in the past. I will try to tap him for more information. -- PeterN |
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On 4/21/2013 1:07 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 4/21/2013 11:37 AM, Bowser wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:19:40 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 4/20/2013 12:03 PM, RichA wrote: On Apr 20, 9:27 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Apr 19, 7:31 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: Guy buys a D800. Has the left-focus issue. Gets a new one. Same issue. Guy sends new one in for fixing. They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. Seems they tried to "average" the error. Guy goes to Nikon directly. He's asking them, "just give me a new body." They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? He said that this current one is as good as he's seen. It still has the left-side issue to a degree, but it's better and the other areas are fine. He said based on the conversations he had there, it's impossible with the current camera to fix it completely. I'd really love to know the mechanics of what has happened, just to know if it will require a brand new design to correct it. If Nikon releases a D900 with notable changes, that could be the reason. Pretty embarassing for Nikon. The introduce a potentially killer camera and it's handicapped with an AF issue. What a shame. I'd never pay that much for a camera and have to work around something as fundamental as an AF issue. Ironic that the cheapest cameras in the line don't seem to have these issues, or is it that their users don't notice them? Ironic that ou post an undocumented story, and forget to mention tht the issue has been fixed. Or, have you stopped reading DP Review. I read DP Review, and still see many, many complaints about the two latest issues, the AF issue on the D800 and the "ink spots" on the D600. As far as I can see neither has been completely fixed. Then again, maybe I missed that story. Can you post a link to anything that confirms the AF fix? Not being sarcastic, but I really want to know since my brother is in the market for one. I do not have that issue on my D800. When i first got it I brought it into Nikon repair, and they carefully checked it out, while I waited. One of my friends, who is quite picky, also has one, and has not had the issue. Went out shooting this morning with two D600 owners, who have not voiced any complaints. Perhaps certain batches have the problem. This afternoon I am going to a presentation by a Nikon sponsored photographer, with whom I have had some very nice conversations in the past. I will try to tap him for more information. Sorry, I tried, but could not get more information. -- PeterN |
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On 4/21/2013 11:24 PM, RichA wrote:
On Apr 21, 1:07 pm, PeterN wrote: On 4/21/2013 11:37 AM, Bowser wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:19:40 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 4/20/2013 12:03 PM, RichA wrote: On Apr 20, 9:27 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Apr 19, 7:31 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: Guy buys a D800. Has the left-focus issue. Gets a new one. Same issue. Guy sends new one in for fixing. They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. Seems they tried to "average" the error. Guy goes to Nikon directly. He's asking them, "just give me a new body." They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? He said that this current one is as good as he's seen. It still has the left-side issue to a degree, but it's better and the other areas are fine. He said based on the conversations he had there, it's impossible with the current camera to fix it completely. I'd really love to know the mechanics of what has happened, just to know if it will require a brand new design to correct it. If Nikon releases a D900 with notable changes, that could be the reason. Pretty embarassing for Nikon. The introduce a potentially killer camera and it's handicapped with an AF issue. What a shame. I'd never pay that much for a camera and have to work around something as fundamental as an AF issue. Ironic that the cheapest cameras in the line don't seem to have these issues, or is it that their users don't notice them? Ironic that ou post an undocumented story, and forget to mention tht the issue has been fixed. Or, have you stopped reading DP Review. I read DP Review, and still see many, many complaints about the two latest issues, the AF issue on the D800 and the "ink spots" on the D600. As far as I can see neither has been completely fixed. Then again, maybe I missed that story. Can you post a link to anything that confirms the AF fix? Not being sarcastic, but I really want to know since my brother is in the market for one. I do not have that issue on my D800. When i first got it I brought it into Nikon repair, and they carefully checked it out, while I waited. One of my friends, who is quite picky, also has one, and has not had the issue. Went out shooting this morning with two D600 owners, who have not voiced any complaints. Perhaps certain batches have the problem. This afternoon I am going to a presentation by a Nikon sponsored photographer, with whom I have had some very nice conversations in the past. I will try to tap him for more information. -- PeterN Hopefully, he's not too "Nikon sponsored" to provide the straight dope. Unfortunately, we were unable to have a conversation. [-( I have had the pleasure of meeting several photographers who were sponsored by different manufacturers. In private, all were quite realistic about their the strength and weaknesses of their products. -- PeterN |
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On 4/23/2013 9:01 PM, RichA wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:46 pm, PeterN wrote: On 4/21/2013 11:24 PM, RichA wrote: On Apr 21, 1:07 pm, PeterN wrote: On 4/21/2013 11:37 AM, Bowser wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:19:40 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 4/20/2013 12:03 PM, RichA wrote: On Apr 20, 9:27 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Apr 19, 7:31 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: Guy buys a D800. Has the left-focus issue. Gets a new one. Same issue. Guy sends new one in for fixing. They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. Seems they tried to "average" the error. Guy goes to Nikon directly. He's asking them, "just give me a new body." They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? He said that this current one is as good as he's seen. It still has the left-side issue to a degree, but it's better and the other areas are fine. He said based on the conversations he had there, it's impossible with the current camera to fix it completely. I'd really love to know the mechanics of what has happened, just to know if it will require a brand new design to correct it. If Nikon releases a D900 with notable changes, that could be the reason. Pretty embarassing for Nikon. The introduce a potentially killer camera and it's handicapped with an AF issue. What a shame. I'd never pay that much for a camera and have to work around something as fundamental as an AF issue. Ironic that the cheapest cameras in the line don't seem to have these issues, or is it that their users don't notice them? Ironic that ou post an undocumented story, and forget to mention tht the issue has been fixed. Or, have you stopped reading DP Review. I read DP Review, and still see many, many complaints about the two latest issues, the AF issue on the D800 and the "ink spots" on the D600. As far as I can see neither has been completely fixed. Then again, maybe I missed that story. Can you post a link to anything that confirms the AF fix? Not being sarcastic, but I really want to know since my brother is in the market for one. I do not have that issue on my D800. When i first got it I brought it into Nikon repair, and they carefully checked it out, while I waited. One of my friends, who is quite picky, also has one, and has not had the issue. Went out shooting this morning with two D600 owners, who have not voiced any complaints. Perhaps certain batches have the problem. This afternoon I am going to a presentation by a Nikon sponsored photographer, with whom I have had some very nice conversations in the past. I will try to tap him for more information. -- PeterN Hopefully, he's not too "Nikon sponsored" to provide the straight dope. Unfortunately, we were unable to have a conversation. [-( I have had the pleasure of meeting several photographers who were sponsored by different manufacturers. In private, all were quite realistic about their the strength and weaknesses of their products. -- PeterN Other than the focus issues of the Nikons and the sensor issues of the Canon's, what else is a weakness of either brand? I have no idea. I do not have the focus issue. I don't worry about Canon. I simply want to make the best images I can. They may not be great, but I enjoy what I have, rather than bitch about the "flaws" in things I don't have, and probly never will have. -- PeterN |
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RichA wrote:
On Apr 23, 7:46*pm, PeterN wrote: On 4/21/2013 11:24 PM, RichA wrote: On Apr 21, 1:07 pm, PeterN wrote: On 4/21/2013 11:37 AM, Bowser wrote: On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:19:40 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 4/20/2013 12:03 PM, RichA wrote: On Apr 20, 9:27 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: On Apr 19, 7:31 am, Bowser wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:22:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote: Guy buys a D800. Has the left-focus issue. Gets a new one. Same issue. Guy sends new one in for fixing. They send it back, but now the focus is off (not by as much) everywhere. Seems they tried to "average" the error. Guy goes to Nikon directly. He's asking them, "just give me a new body." They are hemming and hawing. In comes some photog with their new 800mm lens. Plops it down on the counter and tells them there is something wrong with it, not functionally, something physical. Camera repair people run off to get a manager or something to deal with the guy who wants a new D800 body. The guy wanting the new body and the (evidently, his description) "internet camera bigwig" start talking to each other. Manager comes out and insists that they will repair the D800 the guy already has, but won't give him a new one. Internet guy shouts, "Just give him a new body!" Nikon gives the guy a new D800. But did it fix the AF issue? If the right side is in focus and the left isn't it's not an AF issue, although setting AF to average between the two might be seen as an amelioration which could be called by a salesdroid a "fix". If the unbalanced left right focus issue happens with all lenses then it's a problem of alignment between lens and sensor or the sensor not being quite as flat as it should be. He said that this current one is as good as he's seen. *It still has the left-side issue to a degree, but it's better and the other areas are fine. *He said based on the conversations he had there, it's impossible with the current camera to fix it completely. *I'd really love to know the mechanics of what has happened, just to know if it will require a brand new design to correct it. *If Nikon releases a D900 with notable changes, that could be the reason. Pretty embarassing for Nikon. The introduce a potentially killer camera and it's handicapped with an AF issue. What a shame. I'd never pay that much for a camera and have to work around something as fundamental as an AF issue. Not an AF issue. Ironic that the cheapest cameras in the line don't seem to have these issues, or is it that their users don't notice them? I've upgraded camera bodies and been able to use the superior resolution and new features to discover problems in some of my lenses, and problems with some of my well established techniques. Also happened when I changed from film to digital. Ironic that ou post an undocumented story, and forget to mention tht the issue has been fixed. Or, have you stopped reading DP Review. I read DP Review, and still see many, many complaints about the two latest issues, the AF issue on the D800 and the "ink spots" on the D600. As far as I can see neither has been completely fixed. Then again, maybe I missed that story. Can you post a link to anything that confirms the AF fix? Not being sarcastic, but I really want to know since my brother is in the market for one. I do not have that issue on my D800. When i first got it I brought it into Nikon repair, and they carefully checked it out, while I waited. One of my friends, who is quite picky, also has one, and has not had the issue. Went out shooting this morning with two D600 owners, who have not voiced any complaints. Perhaps certain batches have the problem. This afternoon I am going to a presentation by a Nikon sponsored photographer, with whom I have had some very nice conversations in the past. *I will try to tap him for more information. -- PeterN Hopefully, he's not too "Nikon sponsored" to provide the straight dope. Unfortunately, we were unable to have a conversation. [-( I have had the pleasure of meeting several photographers who were sponsored by different manufacturers. In private, all were quite realistic about their the strength and weaknesses of their products. -- PeterN Other than the focus issues of the Nikons and the sensor issues of the Canon's, what else is a weakness of either brand? That depends on what things you have come to regard as strengths you need. For example I never gave a damn about mirror lock up until the time 30 years ago when I tried to take sharp shots by available light of distant murals in a dim church. The combination of long lens and long exposure demonstrated mirror slap vibration problems very graphically to me. I then decided that lack of mirror lock up was an SLR camera weakness I'd never tolerate again. And once I'd got past mirror slap vibration problems I later progressed to regarding shutter slap vibration problems as a weakness. Strengths and weaknesses depend on what kind of photography you do and how. For example I regard not being able to autofocus a mirror lens as a weakness, whereas most photographers don't even know or care what a mirror lens is. |
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On 4/26/2013 8:32 AM, Chris Malcolm wrote:
RichA wrote: snip Other than the focus issues of the Nikons and the sensor issues of the Canon's, what else is a weakness of either brand? That depends on what things you have come to regard as strengths you need. For example I never gave a damn about mirror lock up until the time 30 years ago when I tried to take sharp shots by available light of distant murals in a dim church. The combination of long lens and long exposure demonstrated mirror slap vibration problems very graphically to me. I then decided that lack of mirror lock up was an SLR camera weakness I'd never tolerate again. And once I'd got past mirror slap vibration problems I later progressed to regarding shutter slap vibration problems as a weakness. Strengths and weaknesses depend on what kind of photography you do and how. For example I regard not being able to autofocus a mirror lens as a weakness, whereas most photographers don't even know or care what a mirror lens is. When I bought my mirror lens, that was not a weakness. Autofocus didn't exist, except in concept. Actually when I used the term "strengths and weakness" I was referring to the inherent compromises that each photographer feels can be best for his shooting preferences. e.g. While I enjoyed the articulated viewfinder on my old Coolpix, I became quite impatient with its shutter lag. When I got my new camera, I had to decide whether being able to shoot at a higher frame rate was worth the difference in cost. I decided it was not. One of my friends decided it was. If I did a lot of sports shooting, I would have made the same decision. BTW for me one of the great strengths of Nikon, is that I live about ten minutes from the Nikon repair facility. -- PeterN |
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