Depth of field - two of them?

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


So nothing to do with the ipad then

I never said it was, except to the extent that it uses wifi while my
desktop is hard wired.

So why bother ?
If you're wifi is so much slower than a hard wired link then perhaps
it's time to change yuor router or up the amount you pay to get a
better service.

As I have (sigh) already explained, the local area is cluttered with
interfering wifi networks. Channels interfere with each other and
network efficiency is low.

So get it sorted use a differnt channel.

They are all doing that.

nope.

Thick people will think that it's slower on the iPad because it's an ipad.

Thick people seem to think that was what I was saying. :-(

Maybe it's because that's what you said.

Go and find find what I actually said.

you originally said the ipad was slower.

My desktop is not wifi.

My iMac can, can't you're PC do wifi ?

It was on wifi but I went to a great deal of trouble to get a Cat6
connection.

Sounds a bit OTT, we've just had that installed in our new lab 5e would have
been ok , but I think you need specail connectors and cable which makes it
expensive, but with 96 PC wanting teh fastest link to our 200+ servers.

The connectors look the same but there are subtle differences which
affect the capacitances.

he's correct. you don't need cat6.

5e is sufficient for gigabit up to about 100 meters. cat 6 is needed
for longer distances and/or for 10gig-e. the former doesn't exist in a
typical house and you aren't using 10g-e. at least not yet.

So tell me now you have this link what sort of speeds are you getting.

try https://www.speedtest.net/

all you have to do is press go.

Right now it's 105.49/16.15

that ain't gigabit.

I'd use an independent checker, they usually select the fasterst local
server.

Understood, but I am using a particular server which is not
necessarily the fastest. I want to know what I _am_ getting, not what
I might be able to get elsewhere.

Then why get cat 6 cable when you're server might be the problem, anyway the
'internet' tries to select the fasterest server rather than the slowest.

The interdevice network (2 computers, 2 printers) is running 1000G. I
could get it from my ISP too, if I was prepared to pay for it. But as
I have already explained, I would get no real benefit from doing so.

then why did you originally say you had a gigabit link, what you called
t1000 over fibre?

You are as bad as nospam. This is not a discussion about what might
be. It's a discussion about what is. As to the speed of a key stroke,
have you considered the possibility that different software
applications might give rise to entirely different user applications
on different devices?

Yes but it is tiny compared to anything else, but this sort of thing is
important to gamers so they might know more. But unless yuor playing some
high end game I'm betting this isnlt the reason for your slow wifi.

You clearly don't understand. Are you able to run Google on an iPad?
Have you got one?

if anyone doesn't understand, it's you.

are you able to 'run google on windows'?

Now what about this 10 second startup time ?
One reason we went cat 6 is because our PCS are dual boot and use the
network for booting and if you have 96 PCs all trying to get online or
downloading windows updates, or booting from the server.
So I realyl don;t know of any individual that would NEED cat6 for doing
google searches, because their connection is slow.

If I want to get to work quicker I could buy a lamborgini but with 20 MPH
speed limits on all the roads around here it wouldn't be any quicker than the bus/tube.

That's why there is no real point in me getting a faster iPad.

false.

you'd be able to run a later version of ios, you could run 64 bit apps,
wifi would be faster and if you get the 13" ipad pro, the display would
be bigger.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


why in the world would you cripple a gigabit uplink with an outdated
802.11n router????

Because my ISP can manage it. They could not manage my previous
undoubtedly crappy router which fact caused me all kinds of problems.
This was before I ran the ethernet cables.

there's nothing to manage. set it up once and it's done.

Until you get garbage down the line which scarmbles the router's
brains. Don't say it can't happen.

i will say it can't happen.

'garbage down the line' won't 'scramble the router's brains'.

In the early days of the fibre
connection it was happening every one or two weeks.

not from 'garbage down the line', it wasn't.

And then the ISP
help desk would want me to take my laptop downstairs to wire connect
to the router. It didn't help that I didn't have a laptop and only had
wifi connection to my desktop.

use the ipad.

does it even have gigabit ports? many early n routers did not, since
1x1 can't go that fast.

not gonna answer that?

It's got 4 of them + a similar WAN port.

that doesn't answer the question.

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 21:18:11 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


why in the world would you cripple a gigabit uplink with an outdated
802.11n router????

Because my ISP can manage it. They could not manage my previous
undoubtedly crappy router which fact caused me all kinds of problems.
This was before I ran the ethernet cables.

there's nothing to manage. set it up once and it's done.

Until you get garbage down the line which scarmbles the router's
brains. Don't say it can't happen.

i will say it can't happen.

'garbage down the line' won't 'scramble the router's brains'.

In the early days of the fibre
connection it was happening every one or two weeks.

not from 'garbage down the line', it wasn't.

And then the ISP
help desk would want me to take my laptop downstairs to wire connect
to the router. It didn't help that I didn't have a laptop and only had
wifi connection to my desktop.

use the ipad.

Ethernet?

does it even have gigabit ports? many early n routers did not, since
1x1 can't go that fast.

not gonna answer that?

It's got 4 of them + a similar WAN port.

that doesn't answer the question.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

And then the ISP
help desk would want me to take my laptop downstairs to wire connect
to the router. It didn't help that I didn't have a laptop and only had
wifi connection to my desktop.

use the ipad.

Ethernet?

you said you had a *wired* connection to your desktop in another post,
one reason why it's faster than the ipad.

the story changes once again.

in any event, ethernet is not required to reconfigure a router unless
wifi is off, which if your desktop has a wifi connection, it clearly is
not.

if the help desk tells you otherwise, ask to talk to someone who is
actually competent. better yet, find another isp.

and as i told you before in another post, ios devices support wired
ethernet.

On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 12:30:22 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

On Monday, 4 February 2019 22:58:27 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 15:27:41 -0000, Whisky-dave wrote:

Previoously I;ve asked for teh 20 or so millivolt meters we have and no longer used so we put them on a special site for schools and colleges if anyone wanted them they are still here after a couple of years.
Luckily they are small, unlike the 30 or so benches that are 2 or 3 metres in lenght.

Freecycle or freegle will get rid of them easily. I gave away 40 filing cabinets, they went within the day. It was no more trouble for me to help a few folk with them to their cars than to take them to the skip.

They aren't mine they belong to the college I'm not allowed to take them anywhere and if I did I'd get done for theft or fraud or something.
The college funiture belongs to the college not me or the department.

We're talking about stuff destined for the skip you fool. It has no value. And if you give it away you save them disposal costs.

In one case (as I happened to own a Transit van at the time) I took 30 pieces of furniture to a local charity. They got free perfectly usable stuff, we had to pay no disposal fee. People just don't think outside the box enough nowadays.

Trouble is we haven't a van and if we did and I was in that then we couldn't have students in the lab.

I took the furniture on my way home.

Most places close around the time I leave here at 5:15pm

Ah, I left at 3:30 (supposed to be 4 but not much happened after 3:30).

Well you;re a genral porter or whatever they call you.
Like in hospitals the doctors or surgeons don't move rhe patients about from room to room or the equipment, they donlt clean up the **** on the floor or cook the food.
You see we have other people to do menial tasks like moving furniture, cleaning up sick etc...

And I just did what was necessary to get the job done. I was the computer tech, but I'd lug stuff about or change lightbulbs, whatever needed doing. What's the point in wasting time passing around requests to other people? Someone would tell me they needed their computer fixed and also one of the light tubes was gone. I'd bring both with me and save time..

And I don't think I coudl carry 30 odd 2 & 3 metre tables on my own..

Can't you just ask the nearest student for a hand?

No, H&S what if they get a back injury

People can look after themselves, why do you subscribe to this blame society bull**** we used to laugh at the Americans for?

and who will do their lab while they are moving stuff onto a lorry or wherever it will go, that is NOT while they are paying £9k home student £14K+ per years overseas student.

You find someone not doing anything, or on a lunch break.

Just because you have nothing better to do than cart furniture about that isn't true of most of us.

No, recycling is a waste when someone could be making use of it.

What about repurposing them ?

That's what I meant.

So for that they need putting somewhere were people will know where they are and can get to them and some whay of deciding who can have them.

Hence the freecycle advert.

Can't they don't allow private delivers,

WTF? Whyever not? And how do they know it's private anyway?
Try thinking about it.
Suppsoe I started it, I could order component from china, create an ebays shop and sell them to the students and get the postroom to take care of the deliveries , but they have limited space and resources something that you fail to understand.

Clearly if you had 1000s of things coming in they could object, but the odd thing isn't a problem. Sensible places allow the odd personal delivery, it really isn't that big a deal. They accept it's difficult for you to have stuff delivered to your house when you're at work.

I never had that problem. A parcel arrived with my name on it, it was delivered to my office or I was emailed, depending how busy they were.

Same her but with 4000 staff and 15,000+ student and 4 postroom staff.
That;s why I had to fiund space here for 96 PC's with external monitors, they didn;t have enough space in the post room or the staff.

What exactly is the problem?

Nothing to do with me it's an external company paid to install and cut the holes in the tables/benches, apparently they were doing it at the weekend.
They needed deliverign first and if I'm working on the 2nd floor then I can't be on the 3rd floor moving them around.

You should have bought desks with holes already in them.

No we wanted them where we wanted them not were B&Q wanted them.

Last time I ordered desks, we just specified the hole positions. They came as we needed them.

We also have 4 or 8 sockets attachedf and USB points and network points and AV point tables aren't sold with those specs included.

I had those on a strip going along the wall before the desks were fitted.. They were put in by an electrician. The wires popped up through the relevant holes.

We have also had cupboards made to our own specs including them being locable with a padlock, most cupboards usually have keys which would be a disater handing out keys to students.

And padlocks don't have keys?!

I can't order stuff before it is asked for. I can predict some thin gs but not everything.
The last new kit came from germany 5000 euros just for P&P maybe you could have collected the stuff using your roof rack.

Stuff like hard disks and memory and batteries are always going to be needed, you might aswell have stocks of that.

We don't stock those sorts of things that's what IT services are for.

Ok so you're not the department that stores stuff, I was.

They don't keep a stock of PCs as they didn't know what specs we wanted.

I used to buy PCs in advance with a basic spec, then add memory etc from a cupboard as required when someone requested one. The PCs I'd already got up and running with everything installed, and I'd just have to swap a disk or RAM then hand it to them.

Batteries well that depends on whuich course and when it's running.
Thre's little point in keeping 100s of batteries in stock, unless we know we will use them.

Batteries will always get used by someone in a place that big.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 05:45:34 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:17:48 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 03:20:00 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Tuesday, 12 February 2019 23:56:02 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:30:28 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:55:47 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 02:41:17 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 8 February 2019 01:34:02 UTC, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 22:58:47 -0600, Bill W
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:51:50 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

Upload
speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds.

they should be the same.

In my case they are throttled.

your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad.

But it is a factor in why I don't like using it for applications such
as Google.

I really hate to ask this, but are you using an ipad you got from a
cellular company? If so, are you sure it is switching over to wifi at
home? I ask this only because that was the issue my sister had.

It's a 3rd generation iPad I bought from Apple many years ago. It's
got lots of memory and room for a sim card but I have never got around
to installing one.

This show you have little understanding of an iPad.
The SIM card isn't for storage it'll just allow you to use a cellular network.

Has nospam recently given you a transfusion. I wasn't attributing
anything to the sim card (or not). I was meely describing the iPad.

How do Aple describe such ipads ?
it's Wifi or wifi and cellular .

Why mention the SIM ?

To help discriminate my iPad from other possible models of iPad.

Not that it does that as your ipad isn't the only one to have a SIM slot, which has nothing to do with memory anyway.
It's like saying yuor car has a stereo CD players to help narrow down the model number.

That would have made a difference if not all models of that car had CD
players.

But it doesn't help you ID the actual car does it, and would only be useful after yuo know what car it came with.

But I did ID the actual iPad.

So if you have a car and install a CD player how does that change the specs of the car other than say it has a CD player. Does it change the speed of the car, or the MPG or anything else about the car ?



It makes little difference to the overall fucnctioning of the ipad.

It takes up space. Something probably had to be replaced or modified
to make room for it.

No they allowed for it in the orginal design.


I have no idea of what, if anything, might have
been affected. So I told you.

Well I did get that impression that you thought it changed something else about the ipad, other than the price and the visual differnce there's nothing else you'll find differnt.
I doubt you'll notice the extra weight of 0.02 pounds the ipads are the same size too.

Might have changed something. I was hoping to avoid a later song and
dance from you or nospam if you later found out and it made a
difference. But I seem to be getting the song and dance anyway.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 09:49:44 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

And then the ISP
help desk would want me to take my laptop downstairs to wire connect
to the router. It didn't help that I didn't have a laptop and only had
wifi connection to my desktop.

use the ipad.

Ethernet?

you said you had a *wired* connection to your desktop in another post,
one reason why it's faster than the ipad.

the story changes once again.

Nothing has changed axcept, perhaps, you understanding.

in any event, ethernet is not required to reconfigure a router unless
wifi is off, which if your desktop has a wifi connection, it clearly is
not.

The original router could not be configured by wifi.

if the help desk tells you otherwise, ask to talk to someone who is
actually competent. better yet, find another isp.

and as i told you before in another post, ios devices support wired
ethernet.

But I don't have the setup. Nor am I likely to have it.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

And then the ISP
help desk would want me to take my laptop downstairs to wire connect
to the router. It didn't help that I didn't have a laptop and only had
wifi connection to my desktop.

use the ipad.

Ethernet?

you said you had a *wired* connection to your desktop in another post,
one reason why it's faster than the ipad.

the story changes once again.

Nothing has changed axcept, perhaps, you understanding.

nope.

you first claimed that one reason why search speeds were different was
because the ipad was on wifi and the desktop wired.

now you say the desktop was *also* on wifi.

something changed.

in any event, ethernet is not required to reconfigure a router unless
wifi is off, which if your desktop has a wifi connection, it clearly is
not.

The original router could not be configured by wifi.

the router you linked absolutely can.

if you had a different router than what you linked, then that's yet
another thing that has changed.

it's really hard to keep up with all these changes.

and actually, i've yet to see a wifi router that can't be configured
via wifi. they normally default with wifi on because it's often easier
to configure it wirelessly, plus many users won't even have a wired
device at all. more recently, they are set up via a mobile app.

given that your desktop and ipad were connected via wifi, we know for a
fact that wifi was on, therefore the router could easily have been
configured wirelessly.

if the help desk tells you otherwise, ask to talk to someone who is
actually competent. better yet, find another isp.

and as i told you before in another post, ios devices support wired
ethernet.

But I don't have the setup. Nor am I likely to have it.

your loss.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 23:27:29 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

And then the ISP
help desk would want me to take my laptop downstairs to wire connect
to the router. It didn't help that I didn't have a laptop and only had
wifi connection to my desktop.

use the ipad.

Ethernet?

you said you had a *wired* connection to your desktop in another post,
one reason why it's faster than the ipad.

the story changes once again.

Nothing has changed axcept, perhaps, you understanding.

nope.

you first claimed that one reason why search speeds were different was
because the ipad was on wifi and the desktop wired.

As I recall, I gave several factors and wifi was but one of them.

now you say the desktop was *also* on wifi.

It was originally. It is not now.

something changed.

Yep. I installed ethernet cabling. I told you about that.

in any event, ethernet is not required to reconfigure a router unless
wifi is off, which if your desktop has a wifi connection, it clearly is
not.

The original router could not be configured by wifi.

the router you linked absolutely can.

That was not the original router.

if you had a different router than what you linked, then that's yet
another thing that has changed.

Yes it has. But my comments apply to my current setup.

it's really hard to keep up with all these changes.

and actually, i've yet to see a wifi router that can't be configured
via wifi. they normally default with wifi on because it's often easier
to configure it wirelessly, plus many users won't even have a wired
device at all. more recently, they are set up via a mobile app.

given that your desktop and ipad were connected via wifi, we know for a
fact that wifi was on, therefore the router could easily have been
configured wirelessly.

if the help desk tells you otherwise, ask to talk to someone who is
actually competent. better yet, find another isp.

I may not have quite made this clear. In the first year of the
installation of the high speed fibre connection (internet and
telephone) some kind of **** in the system would scramble the router's
brains. Once this happened I was not able to communicate with the
router from my desktop. I could perform a factory reset but the only
way to proceed from there was, according to both the manual, via one
of the RJ45 ports. Fortunately, early in the piece I was passed on to
one of the more knowledgable people at my ISP who was able to sort out
my router from his end.

I was extremely glad to later get my current better router and later
still to abandon wifi for ethernet.

and as i told you before in another post, ios devices support wired
ethernet.

But I don't have the setup. Nor am I likely to have it.

your loss.

Nope. I've got a very adequate desk top.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

And then the ISP
help desk would want me to take my laptop downstairs to wire connect
to the router. It didn't help that I didn't have a laptop and only
had
wifi connection to my desktop.

use the ipad.

Ethernet?

you said you had a *wired* connection to your desktop in another post,
one reason why it's faster than the ipad.

the story changes once again.

Nothing has changed axcept, perhaps, you understanding.

nope.

you first claimed that one reason why search speeds were different was
because the ipad was on wifi and the desktop wired.

As I recall, I gave several factors and wifi was but one of them.

yep, and they were bogus.

the point is that you said the desktop was wired.

now you say the desktop was *also* on wifi.

It was originally. It is not now.

which is what i just said.

something changed.

Yep. I installed ethernet cabling. I told you about that.

in other words, something changed.

why did you say nothing changed?

in any event, ethernet is not required to reconfigure a router unless
wifi is off, which if your desktop has a wifi connection, it clearly is
not.

The original router could not be configured by wifi.

the router you linked absolutely can.

That was not the original router.

in other words, something else also changed.

why did you say nothing changed?


if you had a different router than what you linked, then that's yet
another thing that has changed.

Yes it has. But my comments apply to my current setup.

then why did you bring up the previous setup?

it's really hard to keep up with all these changes.

and actually, i've yet to see a wifi router that can't be configured
via wifi. they normally default with wifi on because it's often easier
to configure it wirelessly, plus many users won't even have a wired
device at all. more recently, they are set up via a mobile app.

given that your desktop and ipad were connected via wifi, we know for a
fact that wifi was on, therefore the router could easily have been
configured wirelessly.

if the help desk tells you otherwise, ask to talk to someone who is
actually competent. better yet, find another isp.

I may not have quite made this clear. In the first year of the
installation of the high speed fibre connection (internet and
telephone) some kind of **** in the system would scramble the router's
brains.

nonsense. complete utter nonsense.

Once this happened I was not able to communicate with the
router from my desktop. I could perform a factory reset but the only
way to proceed from there was, according to both the manual, via one
of the RJ45 ports.

post a link to the manual.

Fortunately, early in the piece I was passed on to
one of the more knowledgable people at my ISP who was able to sort out
my router from his end.

then the problem was at the isp's end and the router's brains were not
scrambled.

I was extremely glad to later get my current better router and later
still to abandon wifi for ethernet.

the router you have is not particularly good. rather ****ty, in fact.

replace it, if for no other reason, for better security as well as
faster wifi.

and as i told you before in another post, ios devices support wired
ethernet.

But I don't have the setup. Nor am I likely to have it.

your loss.

Nope. I've got a very adequate desk top.

i wasn't referring to that.