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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
When this topic was first mooted someone made a remark which made me
think of reflections, images mirrored in the computer etc. From that moment I was hooked on reflections and the like and never gave thought to multiple objects. It's amazing how you can develop a blind spot. Alan Browne 1 This is not inconsistent with my original thinking and I was quite impressed with the idea. The shadow on a nearly vertical surface does it nicely. At first sight the picure is stark, except for the wine. But starting to explore and think, I wondered at the knots in the weatherboards in the back ground (we would never get away with them in New Zealand - they would be too likely to shrink and leak). I am curious about the origin of the semicircular pattern indentations in the seat board at the bottom of the photographs. The picure is not as empty as some might be inclined to think. Unlike others, I do not mind the window frame in the corner. It helps balance the picture around the wine glass: it helps centre the picture on the wine glass. PAIR_Watchmaker_OLD_2.png This surprised me. Not a reflection or identically matched pair of any kind, but it's still a pair. It looks like a Leica F3 picture from 60 years ago. Is the similarity deliberate? In any case, I like the sense of motion. I was interested to see that SI accepts PNGs. PAIR_Watchmaker_OLD_1 I was interested in the bottle tops but, apart from that, the photo does nothing for me. It's a difficult subject done very well though. PAIRS-Watchmaker-3 I particularly like this one. Its a pity you couldn't have made the piers stand out from the clutter of plant life rather more than they do. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 2012-07-21 01:31 , Eric Stevens wrote:
When this topic was first mooted someone made a remark which made me think of reflections, images mirrored in the computer etc. From that moment I was hooked on reflections and the like and never gave thought to multiple objects. It's amazing how you can develop a blind spot. Whenever I see others interpretation of mandates I'm always impressed with the shots and distressed at my not seeing things so differently. Once trapped in an idea... Alan Browne 1 This is not inconsistent with my original thinking and I was quite impressed with the idea. The shadow on a nearly vertical surface does it nicely. At first sight the picure is stark, except for the wine. But starting to explore and think, I wondered at the knots in the weatherboards in the back ground (we would never get away with them in New Zealand - they would be too likely to shrink and leak). I am curious about the origin of the semicircular pattern indentations in the seat board at the bottom of the photographs. The picure is not as empty as some might be inclined to think. Unlike others, I do not mind the window frame in the corner. It helps balance the picture around the wine glass: it helps centre the picture on the wine glass. A very generous comment. Thank you. However, shamefully, this image was not made to rise to the mandate but selected as a mascot for the mandate. Since I never found/made time to shoot to the mandate I wickedly abused my powers as admin to leave it there as a submission. I've heard whispers from The Committee that it may be the last straw (we've had some strain of late that I've managed to protect the community at large from witnessing, but I don't think it will remain contained much longer). To me this photo succeeds most of all in the "echo" (of the mandate) where the wineglass is concerned. Additional line patterns were simply bonuses. Further, as I like to do, I try to starve the palette as much as possible, esp. when making a deliberately simplified composition. In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). I'm not sure what caused that circle. It seems too regular to be a knot. It could be a defect correction inserted into the wood before it was cut along length. Next time I'm out there I'll take another look - and another shot at the composition. -- "Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities." -Samuel Clemens. |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 2012-07-21 11:21 , tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:55:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). That really isn't necessary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/shwubema97m6dyo/Browne.jpg I selected some lower boards with the rectangular marquee, copied, pasted, and moved the pasted part up over window corner. I did a little bit of cloning and blurring to make the new section blend in and not repeat the pattern of the copied section. A repair made in just a couple of minutes. With content aware edition, this took less than 10 seconds from opening the file, selecting the area and applying content-aware-editing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tj51axzinp...6SMLCAEDIT.jpg Original: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/143800474 It's clear that content aware editing is very complex - since it failed to do a good job here on a simple task. ;-). I'll play with it more later. -- "Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities." -Samuel Clemens. |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 2012-07-21 11:21 , tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:55:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). That really isn't necessary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/shwubema97m6dyo/Browne.jpg I selected some lower boards with the rectangular marquee, copied, pasted, and moved the pasted part up over window corner. I did a little bit of cloning and blurring to make the new section blend in and not repeat the pattern of the copied section. A repair made in just a couple of minutes. The area between the slats would take a little more time. I'd just create a layer under this with the wood siding and then use a Layer Mask and paint out the gaps to show the wood. I think, when you undertake a project like this, you have to consider the intent of the image. As a Shoot-In image this worked very well. Just as important, it elicited comments. The comments allowed you see the image as others see it. The book is now closed on this since we are now off and running On The Road. The only reason to spend time on this image is in perfecting editing techniques and practicing Photoshop cheats in order to be better prepared for the next challenge. Indeed, but the photoshop cheat that I've only used a few times is the content aware editing tool. So I'd like to see how it performs on the image at hand. (I often use clone/repair). (Later - off for a walk now). You did a pretty sharp job of it in little time. However it's up to me to take the shot so as to make editing an effort of converting the raw effectively, cropping, resizing and sharpening only without delving into the light arts. -- "Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities." -Samuel Clemens. |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 2012-07-21 12:14 , tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:21:21 -0400, tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:55:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). That really isn't necessary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/shwubema97m6dyo/Browne.jpg I selected some lower boards with the rectangular marquee, copied, pasted, and moved the pasted part up over window corner. I did a little bit of cloning and blurring to make the new section blend in and not repeat the pattern of the copied section. A repair made in just a couple of minutes. The area between the slats would take a little more time. I'd just create a layer under this with the wood siding and then use a Layer Mask and paint out the gaps to show the wood. I couldn't help myself. I did this in just the section bordered in red. https://www.dropbox.com/s/5y80z5x3lxecarw/Browne2.jpg I wish you had left out the red border - admirable effort. (A little boo-boo in the back board that holds the vertical slats together - 2nd from left). But as I said before, I'd rather get it right in camera than in the computer. Indeed what you're doing (and my content aware edit) are outside the guidelines of the SI. Going for a walk. I mean it this time! -- "Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities." -Samuel Clemens. |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 2012-07-21 09:13:34 -0700, Alan Browne
said: On 2012-07-21 11:21 , tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:55:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). That really isn't necessary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/shwubema97m6dyo/Browne.jpg I selected some lower boards with the rectangular marquee, copied, pasted, and moved the pasted part up over window corner. I did a little bit of cloning and blurring to make the new section blend in and not repeat the pattern of the copied section. A repair made in just a couple of minutes. With content aware edition, this took less than 10 seconds from opening the file, selecting the area and applying content-aware-editing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tj51axzinp...6SMLCAEDIT.jpg Original: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/143800474 It's clear that content aware editing is very complex - since it failed to do a good job here on a simple task. ;-). I'll play with it more later. Content aware fill just gives you a starting point. Now duplicat the layer and go to filters-."Vanishing Point". Mark out a perspective area using the siding lines as a guide, the expand the area by pulling the middle top handle up, and the middle left handle to the let, both beyond the canvas. Next use the in-filter clone tool (adjust size using "[" "]") to cover the bad content aware fill. Once done close out the vanishing point filter and touch up. The fix result will be better. http://db.tt/vDJbBHAy -- Regards, Savageduck |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 2012-07-21 09:25:29 -0700, tony cooper said:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:13:42 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2012-07-21 11:21 , tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:55:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). That really isn't necessary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/shwubema97m6dyo/Browne.jpg I selected some lower boards with the rectangular marquee, copied, pasted, and moved the pasted part up over window corner. I did a little bit of cloning and blurring to make the new section blend in and not repeat the pattern of the copied section. A repair made in just a couple of minutes. The area between the slats would take a little more time. I'd just create a layer under this with the wood siding and then use a Layer Mask and paint out the gaps to show the wood. I think, when you undertake a project like this, you have to consider the intent of the image. As a Shoot-In image this worked very well. Just as important, it elicited comments. The comments allowed you see the image as others see it. The book is now closed on this since we are now off and running On The Road. The only reason to spend time on this image is in perfecting editing techniques and practicing Photoshop cheats in order to be better prepared for the next challenge. Indeed, but the photoshop cheat that I've only used a few times is the content aware editing tool. So I'd like to see how it performs on the image at hand. (I often use clone/repair). (Later - off for a walk now). You did a pretty sharp job of it in little time. However it's up to me to take the shot so as to make editing an effort of converting the raw effectively, cropping, resizing and sharpening only without delving into the light arts. Yeah, I know, but I'm approaching this as an exercise. Like CPR, it's best to learn a technique before you really need to use it. The family consists of 8 members. I've done some face-swapping using this technique in order to have one family group shot where one member of the family doesn't look like the village idiot with mouth agape and eyes closed. I have CS4, which does not have the Content Aware feature. As soon as the Duck sees this thread, he'll come up with a Content Aware fix using CS5 that works. Some of us like to play around. Curses! Done and posted! You do have "Vanishing Point" in CS4 and that is a pretty good tool/filter to use for this fix even if you don't have content aware correction. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 7/21/2012 12:13 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2012-07-21 11:21 , tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:55:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). That really isn't necessary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/shwubema97m6dyo/Browne.jpg I selected some lower boards with the rectangular marquee, copied, pasted, and moved the pasted part up over window corner. I did a little bit of cloning and blurring to make the new section blend in and not repeat the pattern of the copied section. A repair made in just a couple of minutes. With content aware edition, this took less than 10 seconds from opening the file, selecting the area and applying content-aware-editing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tj51axzinp...6SMLCAEDIT.jpg Original: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/143800474 It's clear that content aware editing is very complex - since it failed to do a good job here on a simple task. ;-). I'll play with it more later. Content aware editing has been improved in CS6, but still it still has a way to go. I often have to fix the errors with some cloning. -- Peter |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 2012-07-21 09:59:58 -0700, Savageduck said:
On 2012-07-21 09:13:34 -0700, Alan Browne said: On 2012-07-21 11:21 , tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:55:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). That really isn't necessary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/shwubema97m6dyo/Browne.jpg I selected some lower boards with the rectangular marquee, copied, pasted, and moved the pasted part up over window corner. I did a little bit of cloning and blurring to make the new section blend in and not repeat the pattern of the copied section. A repair made in just a couple of minutes. With content aware edition, this took less than 10 seconds from opening the file, selecting the area and applying content-aware-editing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tj51axzinp...6SMLCAEDIT.jpg Original: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/143800474 It's clear that content aware editing is very complex - since it failed to do a good job here on a simple task. ;-). I'll play with it more later. Content aware fill just gives you a starting point. Now duplicat the layer and go to filters-."Vanishing Point". Mark out a perspective area using the siding lines as a guide, the expand the area by pulling the middle top handle up, and the middle left handle to the let, both beyond the canvas. Next use the in-filter clone tool (adjust size using "[" "]") to cover the bad content aware fill. Once done close out the vanishing point filter and touch up. The fix result will be better. http://db.tt/vDJbBHAy Here is what the original looks like with the perspective plain I used applied. http://db.tt/oky2NyGz The editing in-filter tools are on the left. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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[SI] Pairs etc - Eric Stevens comments
On 2012-07-21 10:42:19 -0700, tony cooper said:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:03:58 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2012-07-21 09:25:29 -0700, tony cooper said: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:13:42 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2012-07-21 11:21 , tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:55:51 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: In that sense, the window frame should have been cropped out at the time the photo was composed. As is, it cannot be cropped without cutting into the chair. (Maybe I'll try a content-aware edit in CS5). That really isn't necessary: https://www.dropbox.com/s/shwubema97m6dyo/Browne.jpg I selected some lower boards with the rectangular marquee, copied, pasted, and moved the pasted part up over window corner. I did a little bit of cloning and blurring to make the new section blend in and not repeat the pattern of the copied section. A repair made in just a couple of minutes. The area between the slats would take a little more time. I'd just create a layer under this with the wood siding and then use a Layer Mask and paint out the gaps to show the wood. I think, when you undertake a project like this, you have to consider the intent of the image. As a Shoot-In image this worked very well. Just as important, it elicited comments. The comments allowed you see the image as others see it. The book is now closed on this since we are now off and running On The Road. The only reason to spend time on this image is in perfecting editing techniques and practicing Photoshop cheats in order to be better prepared for the next challenge. Indeed, but the photoshop cheat that I've only used a few times is the content aware editing tool. So I'd like to see how it performs on the image at hand. (I often use clone/repair). (Later - off for a walk now). You did a pretty sharp job of it in little time. However it's up to me to take the shot so as to make editing an effort of converting the raw effectively, cropping, resizing and sharpening only without delving into the light arts. Yeah, I know, but I'm approaching this as an exercise. Like CPR, it's best to learn a technique before you really need to use it. The family consists of 8 members. I've done some face-swapping using this technique in order to have one family group shot where one member of the family doesn't look like the village idiot with mouth agape and eyes closed. I have CS4, which does not have the Content Aware feature. As soon as the Duck sees this thread, he'll come up with a Content Aware fix using CS5 that works. Some of us like to play around. Curses! Done and posted! You do have "Vanishing Point" in CS4 and that is a pretty good tool/filter to use for this fix even if you don't have content aware correction. Whoa! You messed up just to left of the wine glass. The board edge "jumps" and the color doesn't match. You can do better than this. Just a quick and nasty fix, not perfection demonstrating tools. A little short on time, I have to hit the road for a visit to some friends just North of Salinas. Perhaps a photo-op or two along the way. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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