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Europeans have to pay more due to social costs
On 10/12/2016 6:13 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article 2016101122272654873-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: Savageduck: Somebody has to pay, even if it is those who actually pay taxes. There is no truly free ride. sid: Well of course, and as a tax payers we understand that we are all making a contribution to the whole rather than just looking after ourselves. Savageduck: ...and the same is true for taxpayers in the USA, though there are many among us who resent, and would deny welfare of any kind, be it subsistance, medical, or even disability if it was ever in their power to do so. Sandman: Sounds like the typical american, alright. Freedom, amiright? Not quite. If you read what I said, which was not that it was an attitude typical of Americans, but that there were some among us who held that belief, among those, Libertarians, many, but not all Republicans, and an astonishing number of Trumpists, who are foolish enough to vote against their own best interests. Yeah, but I think the rest of the world sees Americans this way. Each man for themselves, and there is no way one American would pay extra to benefit others. Not saying this is how it really is but it is the stereotypical American nonetheless. Strange how the rest of the world would see things that way since America is one of the most charitable nation in the world. |
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Europeans have to pay more due to social costs
On 10/12/2016 2:33 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 22:14:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: My cataract surgery was fully covered by Medicare (I am over 65) and my Medicare supplement. One of the significant differences between our system and some other systems is that your surgery was most probably scheduled within a short time after the diagnoses and recommendation for surgery. There might have been a wait of a few weeks because the surgeon's schedule was booked up, but there was no delay by the payee. That would be the case for cataracts or a hip or a knee. In other countries, the delay might be months or years because the procedure would not be authorized by the paying agency. The exception in the US is when the veteran needs the procedure, and the procedure is to be done in a VA hospital. Then, the delay could be months or years. That is one of the greatest flaws in our system. It seems as if the VA is a hit-or-miss thing. The VA in Northport, Long Island where my son went is horrible. He was given a prescription that caused him to break out in a rash all over his body and it was quite irritating and he was having breathing problems. A quick check into the side-effects of the drug indicated that one of them was a rash and that it could be life-threatening as it threatened his breathing passage. He immediately went back to the VA and was told to return in a week, no appointments were available! He went to the emergency room of a local hospital and was treated there. About a month ago, a vet killed himself in the parking lot when he was refused treatment after numerous requests. He was suffering from emotional problems that they wouldn't help with. The VA denies it but workers within the hospital confirmed that the man made repeated attempts to get treated. When my wife and I were in Kingsport, TN to look for a place to retire to, there was a Freedom Flight event at the hotel where we were staying. We spoke to a few of the older vets and they report that the local VA there is very, very good. |
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Europeans have to pay more due to social costs
On 10/12/2016 6:12 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article 201610112220408155-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-10-12 05:12:04 +0000, Sandman said: Andreas Skitsnack: Does it? To whom? A company's higher operating costs are based on what they have to absorb in costs. If taxes, which subsidize health care and other social programs to the public, must absorbed then Alan's statement is true. In the UK, the worker has far more benefits like extended paid vacation ("holiday", to them) days off, and that is a social program that increases the operating cost of a company. Sandman: In Sweden, the VAT is 25%, which is why we have free medical care and free schools, where student loans are used to pay for getting an apartment rather than tuition to get into a school. There exists private schools obviously, but mostly only for special niches. But if you want a masters degree in engineering and have a place to live, you can get it for free. PAS: It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it. Sandman: Wow PAS: Then why do you say it's free? Sandman: Because I get products and services without the exchange of money. ...and for products and services you did not get, you have provided a subsidy from your taxes and high VAT, just as some other Swedes have subsidized all those "free" products and services you didn't pay for. In the end there is no free ride, regardless of where you live. The difference is how things are paid for, but they are paid for. We all know this, this is how taxes work. Only, medical, education and elderly care is free in Sweden due to our taxes being higher. It's not a hard concept really. Americans also pay taxes, just not enough to get free medical care or education. But you drive on your roads for "free", yet they have been paid the exact same way. Just as most Americans wouldn't go around saying that the sidewalk they walk is something they paid for - a Swede wouldn't say that sending their kids to school is something they pay for. Only someone very argumentative would post just to say "It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it". No, not someone who is argumentative but, rather, someone who is pointing out the error of your statement that it's free. If someone is paying for it, whether through taxes or other means, it's not free. It's an easy concept to understand unless you want to be argumentative and claim otherwise. |
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Europeans have to pay more due to social costs
On 10/12/2016 4:48 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 19:05:15 UTC+1, PAS wrote: On 10/11/2016 1:46 PM, sid wrote: PAS wrote: On 10/7/2016 3:13 PM, Sandman wrote: In article , PAS wrote: Andreas Skitsnack: Does it? To whom? A company's higher operating costs are based on what they have to absorb in costs. If taxes, which subsidize health care and other social programs to the public, must absorbed then Alan's statement is true. In the UK, the worker has far more benefits like extended paid vacation ("holiday", to them) days off, and that is a social program that increases the operating cost of a company. Sandman: In Sweden, the VAT is 25%, which is why we have free medical care and free schools, where student loans are used to pay for getting an apartment rather than tuition to get into a school. There exists private schools obviously, but mostly only for special niches. But if you want a masters degree in engineering and have a place to live, you can get it for free. It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it. Wow Then why do you say it's free? Because it is free at point of use. It matters not if you are a taxpayer or a non tax payer. It also matters not if you are rich or poor. It's not free no matter how you look at it. What is free ? All that free stuff he claims is free that really isn't free. |
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Europeans have to pay more due to social costs
In article , PAS wrote:
Sandman: In article 201610112220408155-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck Savageduck: On 2016-10-12 05:12:04 +0000, Sandman said: Andreas Skitsnack: Does it? To whom? A company's higher operating costs are based on what they have to absorb in costs. If taxes, which subsidize health care and other social programs to the public, must absorbed then Alan's statement is true. In the UK, the worker has far more benefits like extended paid vacation ("holiday", to them) days off, and that is a social program that increases the operating cost of a company. Sandman: In Sweden, the VAT is 25%, which is why we have free medical care and free schools, where student loans are used to pay for getting an apartment rather than tuition to get into a school. There exists private schools obviously, but mostly only for special niches. But if you want a masters degree in engineering and have a place to live, you can get it for free. PAS: It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it. Sandman: Wow PAS: Then why do you say it's free? Sandman: Because I get products and services without the exchange of money. Savageduck: ...and for products and services you did not get, you have provided a subsidy from your taxes and high VAT, just as some other Swedes have subsidized all those "free" products and services you didn't pay for. In the end there is no free ride, regardless of where you live. The difference is how things are paid for, but they are paid for. Sandman: We all know this, this is how taxes work. Only, medical, education and elderly care is free in Sweden due to our taxes being higher. It's not a hard concept really. Americans also pay taxes, just not enough to get free medical care or education. But you drive on your roads for "free", yet they have been paid the exact same way. Just as most Americans wouldn't go around saying that the sidewalk they walk is something they paid for - a Swede wouldn't say that sending their kids to school is something they pay for. Only someone very argumentative would post just to say "It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it". No, not someone who is argumentative but, rather, someone who is pointing out the error of your statement that it's free. Haha -- Sandman |
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On 10/13/2016 9:51 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article , PAS wrote: Sandman: In article 201610112220408155-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck Savageduck: On 2016-10-12 05:12:04 +0000, Sandman said: Andreas Skitsnack: Does it? To whom? A company's higher operating costs are based on what they have to absorb in costs. If taxes, which subsidize health care and other social programs to the public, must absorbed then Alan's statement is true. In the UK, the worker has far more benefits like extended paid vacation ("holiday", to them) days off, and that is a social program that increases the operating cost of a company. Sandman: In Sweden, the VAT is 25%, which is why we have free medical care and free schools, where student loans are used to pay for getting an apartment rather than tuition to get into a school. There exists private schools obviously, but mostly only for special niches. But if you want a masters degree in engineering and have a place to live, you can get it for free. PAS: It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it. Sandman: Wow PAS: Then why do you say it's free? Sandman: Because I get products and services without the exchange of money. Savageduck: ...and for products and services you did not get, you have provided a subsidy from your taxes and high VAT, just as some other Swedes have subsidized all those "free" products and services you didn't pay for. In the end there is no free ride, regardless of where you live. The difference is how things are paid for, but they are paid for. Sandman: We all know this, this is how taxes work. Only, medical, education and elderly care is free in Sweden due to our taxes being higher. It's not a hard concept really. Americans also pay taxes, just not enough to get free medical care or education. But you drive on your roads for "free", yet they have been paid the exact same way. Just as most Americans wouldn't go around saying that the sidewalk they walk is something they paid for - a Swede wouldn't say that sending their kids to school is something they pay for. Only someone very argumentative would post just to say "It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it". No, not someone who is argumentative but, rather, someone who is pointing out the error of your statement that it's free. Haha I'm glad you find humor in your erroneous statement. |
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PAS wrote:
Strange how the rest of the world would see things that way since America is one of the most charitable nation in the world. Hallelujah, here comes the collection plate! -- sid |
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Europeans have to pay more due to social costs
In article , PAS wrote:
Andreas Skitsnack: Does it? To whom? A company's higher operating costs are based on what they have to absorb in costs. If taxes, which subsidize health care and other social programs to the public, must absorbed then Alan's statement is true. In the UK, the worker has far more benefits like extended paid vacation ("holiday", to them) days off, and that is a social program that increases the operating cost of a company. Sandman: In Sweden, the VAT is 25%, which is why we have free medical care and free schools, where student loans are used to pay for getting an apartment rather than tuition to get into a school. There exists private schools obviously, but mostly only for special niches. But if you want a masters degree in engineering and have a place to live, you can get it for free. PAS: It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it. Sandman: Wow PAS: Then why do you say it's free? Sandman: Because I get products and services without the exchange of money. Savageduck: ...and for products and services you did not get, you have provided a subsidy from your taxes and high VAT, just as some other Swedes have subsidized all those "free" products and services you didn't pay for. In the end there is no free ride, regardless of where you live. The difference is how things are paid for, but they are paid for. Sandman: We all know this, this is how taxes work. Only, medical, education and elderly care is free in Sweden due to our taxes being higher. It's not a hard concept really. Americans also pay taxes, just not enough to get free medical care or education. But you drive on your roads for "free", yet they have been paid the exact same way. Just as most Americans wouldn't go around saying that the sidewalk they walk is something they paid for - a Swede wouldn't say that sending their kids to school is something they pay for. Only someone very argumentative would post just to say "It isn't free if you're paying taxes for it". PAS: No, not someone who is argumentative but, rather, someone who is pointing out the error of your statement that it's free. Sandman: Haha I'm glad you find humor in your erroneous statement. Hahaha! -- Sandman |
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