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20D or 5D
Given the review on
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05...canoneos5d.asp Do you think the $3299 is worth it compared to about $ 1238 for the 20D now (buydig.com) considering its improvements over the 20D? I wonder if the 5D will make good picture taking for the non-professional that much easier than the 20D? Can you justify it's cost for a non-professional? For me, it's seems to much difference in cost but that's me. I believe the 20D about one year ago was around $2000 so it fell about $800 over a year. |
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Rob wrote:
Given the review on http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05...canoneos5d.asp Do you think the $3299 is worth it compared to about $ 1238 for the 20D now (buydig.com) considering its improvements over the 20D? Is this my money we are spending, or yours? I wonder if the 5D will make good picture taking for the non-professional that much easier than the 20D? If you have to ask a question like that then you may wish to consider the unpleasant thought that you might not even be 'worthy' of a 20D. Can you justify it's cost for a non-professional? Why should I justify it's cost? I am not selling the things. For me, it's seems to much difference in cost but that's me. Well, since it's your money, that's all you need, right? I believe the 20D about one year ago was around $2000 so it fell about $800 over a year. Ah, you aren't a photographer, but an investor in the photographic equipment futures market! Well, here's the deal about that sort of thing: only an idiot would sell you a put, and only an idiot would buy a call. Are you an idiot? |
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Rob wrote in message ... Given the review on http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05...canoneos5d.asp Do you think the $3299 is worth it compared to about $ 1238 for the 20D now (buydig.com) considering its improvements over the 20D? I wonder if the 5D will make good picture taking for the non-professional that much easier than the 20D? Can you justify it's cost for a non-professional? I can't justify anything for anyone but myself. You'll have to determine that. For me, it's seems to much difference in cost but that's me. I believe the 20D about one year ago was around $2000 so it fell about $800 over a year. 20D was about $1500 when released. If you're not already prepared with a list of reasons why the 5D makes sense for you, then there is a good chance that it doesn't make sense for you now. It has many features which a lot of us have been wishing for: Spot meter, full-frame, nearly 13MP, no pesky built-in flash (did you know it has no flash?), and other features many general shooters don't ever care about. What you need to do is really try and define your needs, and how those needs stack up against the abilities of the two bodies. The 5D isn't universally ahead of the 20D. For example, the 20D can shoot 5 frames per second in jpeg mode, while the 5D is limited to 3 frames (any mode). Check it out and do some serious consideration before you plonk down any amount for either camera. Mark |
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MarkČ wrote:
What you need to do is really try and define your needs, and how those needs stack up against the abilities of the two bodies. The 5D isn't universally ahead of the 20D. For example, the 20D can shoot 5 frames per second in jpeg mode, while the 5D is limited to 3 frames (any mode). Has it got a good movie mode? ;-) -Mike |
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"Mike Warren" wrote in message eenews.net... MarkČ wrote: What you need to do is really try and define your needs, and how those needs stack up against the abilities of the two bodies. The 5D isn't universally ahead of the 20D. For example, the 20D can shoot 5 frames per second in jpeg mode, while the 5D is limited to 3 frames (any mode). Has it got a good movie mode? ;-) I'm sure the 5D would look quite good in a movie... |
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"Mike Warren" wrote in
message eenews.net... MarkČ wrote: What you need to do is really try and define your needs, and how those needs stack up against the abilities of the two bodies. The 5D isn't universally ahead of the 20D. For example, the 20D can shoot 5 frames per second in jpeg mode, while the 5D is limited to 3 frames (any mode). Has it got a good movie mode? ;-) -Mike I hope you're joking.... -- Skip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com |
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Skip M wrote:
Has it got a good movie mode? ;-) I hope you're joking.... Of course. See the wink? ;-) -Mike |
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MarkČ wrote:
Rob wrote in message ... Given the review on http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05...canoneos5d.asp Do you think the $3299 is worth it compared to about $ 1238 for the 20D now (buydig.com) considering its improvements over the 20D? I wonder if the 5D will make good picture taking for the non-professional that much easier than the 20D? Can you justify it's cost for a non-professional? I can't justify anything for anyone but myself. You'll have to determine that. For me, it's seems to much difference in cost but that's me. I believe the 20D about one year ago was around $2000 so it fell about $800 over a year. 20D was about $1500 when released. If you're not already prepared with a list of reasons why the 5D makes sense for you, then there is a good chance that it doesn't make sense for you now. It has many features which a lot of us have been wishing for: Spot meter, full-frame, nearly 13MP, no pesky built-in flash (did you know it has no flash?), and other features many general shooters don't ever care about. What you need to do is really try and define your needs, and how those needs stack up against the abilities of the two bodies. The 5D isn't universally ahead of the 20D. For example, the 20D can shoot 5 frames per second in jpeg mode, while the 5D is limited to 3 frames (any mode). Check it out and do some serious consideration before you plonk down any amount for either camera. Mark I'm sure all of us Aussies fresh from spending $3k on our flaky 20Ds can now shell out $5k on the day of release just to have a repeat of the 20D's reliability issues and hastily engineered "upgrades" with even more bugs than the ones they tried to fix. This time with a full frame sensor and no internal flash! (thank God they saw the light). Just a case of one up-manship. It doesn't work when your quality control is designed by monkeys. I note with interest that this is not a "Professional" camera either, just one for "Enthusiasts". Canon's way of squirming out of the loose auto focus ability and it's really poorly designed ETTL II, flash integration and operating environment requirements which doesn't suit anyone living west of Ipswich (Queensland Australia) in the summer. At least it was with the 20D. So far there are 14 frequently documented problems 20D owners have discovered with their "state of the art" (s******s) cameras. It took just 2 days to discover the first 5. I wonder how long it will be before the first complaint surfaces about this one? I missed one important "feature" of this new camera which will stuff up many people's plans to own one - Well all the humans who live north and south of Paradise's boarder on the equator anyway. Operating Humidity is maximum 85%. I guess that cuts out all you rain forest nuts. Orchid growers and beach dwellers in those wonderful tropical islands! -- Douglas, You never really make it on the 'net until you get your own personal Troll. Mine's called Chrlz. Don't feed him, he bites! |
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"pixby" wrote in message ... MarkČ wrote: Rob wrote in message ... Given the review on http://www.dpreview.com/news/0508/05...canoneos5d.asp Do you think the $3299 is worth it compared to about $ 1238 for the 20D now (buydig.com) considering its improvements over the 20D? I wonder if the 5D will make good picture taking for the non-professional that much easier than the 20D? Can you justify it's cost for a non-professional? I can't justify anything for anyone but myself. You'll have to determine that. For me, it's seems to much difference in cost but that's me. I believe the 20D about one year ago was around $2000 so it fell about $800 over a year. 20D was about $1500 when released. If you're not already prepared with a list of reasons why the 5D makes sense for you, then there is a good chance that it doesn't make sense for you now. It has many features which a lot of us have been wishing for: Spot meter, full-frame, nearly 13MP, no pesky built-in flash (did you know it has no flash?), and other features many general shooters don't ever care about. What you need to do is really try and define your needs, and how those needs stack up against the abilities of the two bodies. The 5D isn't universally ahead of the 20D. For example, the 20D can shoot 5 frames per second in jpeg mode, while the 5D is limited to 3 frames (any mode). Check it out and do some serious consideration before you plonk down any amount for either camera. Mark I'm sure all of us Aussies fresh from spending $3k on our flaky 20Ds can now shell out $5k on the day of release just to have a repeat of the 20D's reliability issues and hastily engineered "upgrades" with even more bugs than the ones they tried to fix. This time with a full frame sensor and no internal flash! (thank God they saw the light). Just a case of one up-manship. It doesn't work when your quality control is designed by monkeys. I note with interest that this is not a "Professional" camera either, just one for "Enthusiasts". Canon's way of squirming out of the loose auto focus ability and it's really poorly designed ETTL II, flash integration and operating environment requirements which doesn't suit anyone living west of Ipswich (Queensland Australia) in the summer. At least it was with the 20D. So far there are 14 frequently documented problems 20D owners have discovered with their "state of the art" (s******s) cameras. It took just 2 days to discover the first 5. I wonder how long it will be before the first complaint surfaces about this one? I missed one important "feature" of this new camera which will stuff up many people's plans to own one - Well all the humans who live north and south of Paradise's boarder on the equator anyway. Operating Humidity is maximum 85%. I guess that cuts out all you rain forest nuts. Orchid growers and beach dwellers in those wonderful tropical islands! My 10D has been from death valley heat...to Alaskan cold...to tropical wet. Still churning out great images. Sorry about your 20D problems. Luckily your understandable bitterness doesn't inflict these things on future Canon products. I strongly suspect they learned real lessons from the 20D troubles, and the outrage that followed from people such as yourself. |
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In fairness to Pixby the only place my 300D has had reliablity problems
was in tropical Queensland. On two separate occasions I was in the rainforest when I got the dreaded Er99. Never had that problem before and never since. No problem with the camera in +45 dry desert heat or at -20 on a glacier. Nick |
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