Getting that film look

In article , "James Silverton"
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.net says...
wrote on Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:04:44
GMT:

Considerable clipping; I have just retained what I think are
the main points

?? Most film cameras that are pro level will last
quite some
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p Depends. I could care less about Nikon when you get down to
p it. My F will most likely work for 20 more years and the
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These are all valid points but I reiterate that I think the
price and variety of film is the main concern even if well-made
cameras last. The price of film must inevitably rise as the
demand decreases.

James Silverton.
Potomac, Maryland.


I agree and I was not trying to say you were wrong here. It will rise but
so will everything really. It will not be out of reach for a serious
shooter. Someone like myself will help good shooters I know who may have
a hard time affording film but they can't afford digital either. I
finished a fully analog recording a few months back and even with high
tape costs it cost the band less than them on there own with a digital
home set up. All I did was make them practice more, smoke less and hit it
hard when the tape was rolling. The point is if I need to think more
about taking the shot to save on film so be it. I can even shoot some
digital samples first to check out composition. The best of both worlds.

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The point is if I need to think more
about taking the shot to save on film so be it. I can even shoot some
digital samples first to check out composition. The best of both worlds.


Indeed.

I sometimes visit a "new" photo venue with the DSLR
or Nikon FE first. If there are promising compositions,
I'm likely to return with my MF and/or LF gear.

And if not, I've saved myself some needless schlepping.

I suspect 35 mm film will be with us for a few more
years, though it will get harder to find and more expensive.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

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says...

wrote in message
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The point is if I need to think more
about taking the shot to save on film so be it. I can even shoot some
digital samples first to check out composition. The best of both worlds.


Indeed.

I sometimes visit a "new" photo venue with the DSLR
or Nikon FE first. If there are promising compositions,
I'm likely to return with my MF and/or LF gear.

And if not, I've saved myself some needless schlepping.

I suspect 35 mm film will be with us for a few more
years, though it will get harder to find and more expensive.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com




No, doubt it will get more expensive but not really harder to find by
mail order. When in the states I purchase most of my film from NY mail
order houses anyway. Although I have been having fun with 99 cent store
stuff for converting to B&W. Also, eventually digital will get better or
as someone else mentioned, maybe you, continuous stream developmentts
will help. Film will be around long enough for what digital is today to
be total thrift store junk and maybe we will all be happy. We still need
some way for artistic shooters to prove they have not overdone
manipulation prior to submitting photos.

"rafe b" wrote

I suspect 35 mm film will be with us for a few more
years, though it will get harder to find and more expensive.

The 35mm format is shared with motion picture film and
microfilm, but those markets too shall pass. It is
still possible to get double-8mm film, I believe.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:22:52 GMT, wrote:


Some good points and I am one who uses both although I do not own a good
DSLR as renting is fine when needed but I must state that in most circles
you would be hard pressed to find the average Digital user saying
anything nice about film or manual cameras. It is akin to penis extension
and defending oversized cars. No logic but a lot of hocus pocus. Kindness
and open minds are rare.


I think for the Average Joe and Jill, and without being
condescending, digital has tremendous advantages --
and yes, some pitfalls (like media disasters) which
will bite him in the ass, just like they've bitten me.

A.J. gets to see his pix right away, without waiting
for the next major holiday to finish the roll.

A.J. gets his image with acceptable quality,
even in low light.

A.J. gets to see her pix on a big bright screen,
and email them to friends and family.

Overall, it's working very well for A.J. and this
is what the market shows.

Me, personally: the DSLR is what comes with
me on vacation, where the primary goal is plain
old rest & relaxation. The G2 is what I take on
hikes, where weight is more of a concern.

Film is what I use when photography is the
feature event.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

In rec.photo.digital Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"rafe b" wrote

The 35mm format is shared with motion picture film and
microfilm, but those markets too shall pass. It is
still possible to get double-8mm film, I believe.

Double-8 is just 16mm film with extra perforations.
Kodak stopped selling single rolls some time ago, but
there are people who order large quantities from Kodak
to resell.

I don't think microfilm is going to die anytime soon.
Micrographic records require much less in the way of
maintenance than computer storage. I think it will
take a generation before archivists are going to start
trusting computer storage.

AFAIK Afga's micrographic, cine, medical and aerial photographic
materials business are still part of the main company and
were not sold to AgfaPhoto. I don't know if there were
shared manufacturing facilities, but it will be interesting
to see what happens to those products in the coming years.

Peter.
--

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"rafe b" wrote


I suspect 35 mm film will be with us for a few more
years, though it will get harder to find and more expensive.


The 35mm format is shared with motion picture film and
microfilm, but those markets too shall pass. It is
still possible to get double-8mm film, I believe.

Quite a few "big" movies have been "filmed" using digital cameras recently.
The days of 35mm movie cameras may well be numbered as well.
So, you may not be able to look at the movie industry to keep 35mm film
alive...

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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"rafe b" wrote


I suspect 35 mm film will be with us for a few more
years, though it will get harder to find and more expensive.


The 35mm format is shared with motion picture film and
microfilm, but those markets too shall pass. It is
still possible to get double-8mm film, I believe.

Quite a few "big" movies have been "filmed" using digital cameras recently.
The days of 35mm movie cameras may well be numbered as well.
So, you may not be able to look at the movie industry to keep 35mm film
alive...

This is true but some if not many will want to use film stock for various
reasons but it will get expensive for small producers. Gee, just think,
soon Joe average will move from Stupidest Home Videos to Full Feature
Movies and then it will truly suck as bad as the Pop music biz does. I
can't wait. "Give me that button Danny, give it to me now!" Danny: "But
you forgot to email everyone that you were going to push the button!" ME:
Give me that f#$%ing button man!"

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The point is if I need to think more
about taking the shot to save on film so be it. I can even shoot some
digital samples first to check out composition. The best of both worlds.


Indeed.

I sometimes visit a "new" photo venue with the DSLR
or Nikon FE first. If there are promising compositions,
I'm likely to return with my MF and/or LF gear.

And if not, I've saved myself some needless schlepping.

I suspect 35 mm film will be with us for a few more
years, though it will get harder to find and more expensive.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com





No, doubt it will get more expensive but not really harder to find by
mail order.

I don't think it's going to get that much more expensive. Price goes up
and they lose MORE market.

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This is true but some if not many will want to use film stock for various
reasons but it will get expensive for small producers.

Film has always been expensive for small producers and in recent
years, many if not most low-budget indie films have been shot on
digital video (either high definition or just regular DV). Remember
how much you spent on a 24 exp film with processing, and then imagine
shooting that many frames film every second (even half-frame 35mm).
However, big-budget studios using video instead of film is still
fairly unusual. Star Wars Episode 2(?) was the first really high
profile example. I'd be interested to know what other big films are
using digitalnow.