Snapshots of Afghanistan - August 2009

"mikey4" wrote in message
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"Chris H" wrote in message
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In message , Bill Graham
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To me, It's much simpler than that. I have no idea why some terrorists
plowed a couple of airliners into those two buildings on 9/11, and I
don't really care why they did it.

Then you can never hope to beat them.
It also shows you are an idiot. In asynchronous warfare, especially
where the enemy is an ideal not a country or geographical location, in
order to beat an enemy you have to understand their motives and aims.

They were killing civilians, and not perpherillery, but on purpose. So,
the lines were drawn in the sand.

I agree... the lines were drawn by the US.... The 9/11 was a RETALIATION
not a first strike. Also it was the 3rd (or 4th) in a series.

Now, I am perfectly happy to spend the rest of my life seeking them out
and killing them. - How much simpler can it get than this?

That is the problem... simple solution for simple minds.... Your
solution is WRONG and means you can NEVER win this fight.

What would you suggest to win this fight?
Don't bother to ask.....they have no exit strategy......

In message , mikey4
writes

"Chris H" wrote in message
...
In message , Bill Graham
writes

To me, It's much simpler than that. I have no idea why some terrorists
plowed a couple of airliners into those two buildings on 9/11, and I
don't really care why they did it.

Then you can never hope to beat them.
It also shows you are an idiot. In asynchronous warfare, especially
where the enemy is an ideal not a country or geographical location, in
order to beat an enemy you have to understand their motives and aims.

They were killing civilians, and not perpherillery, but on purpose. So,
the lines were drawn in the sand.

I agree... the lines were drawn by the US.... The 9/11 was a RETALIATION
not a first strike. Also it was the 3rd (or 4th) in a series.

Now, I am perfectly happy to spend the rest of my life seeking them out
and killing them. - How much simpler can it get than this?

That is the problem... simple solution for simple minds.... Your
solution is WRONG and means you can NEVER win this fight.

What would you suggest to win this fight?

Difficult... The USA dug a huge hole way before 9/11 and dragged others
in with it.

The answer in Iraq is to get out. The Iraqi's will have a blood bath for
6 months to sort out the rival factions. It will end up with a pro
Iranian system of eastern democracy. This will mean that The
Mediterranean to Afghanistan will be pro Iranian.

Remove US support for Israel and start enforcing UN resolutions and
Sanctions against Israel. Long run Israel will not survive in it's
current form. Note the US has to separate Israel == Jew.

This whilst causing problems in Israel will calm the area from N. Africa
to China. Including Afghanistan

The way to solve Afghanistan will be along road and requires serious
changes in the way the US military operates. It will in the short term
give a higher US body count as you will need to do foot patrols and not
just shoot in the general direction of gunshots. Also stop the drone
attacks. I am not sure the US military is up to the task for this.

This will change the nature of this *POLICE ACTION* it is not a war.
Coupled with the other changes about it will take the heat out of the
situation.

The politicians then have to talk to the Tailban. Many of them will
get back into power in the free elections. Live with it.

What the situation is now is damage limitation and not loosing. The
afghans have a weapon the US does not have.... time. For the Afghans a
decade is not long. For the Americans it is at least 3 presidents.


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In message , Bill Graham
writes

"mikey4" wrote in message
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"Chris H" wrote in message news:uDb9mLAQthqKFAH
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In message , Bill Graham
writes

To me, It's much simpler than that. I have no idea why some terrorists
plowed a couple of airliners into those two buildings on 9/11, and I
don't really care why they did it.

Then you can never hope to beat them.
It also shows you are an idiot. In asynchronous warfare, especially
where the enemy is an ideal not a country or geographical location, in
order to beat an enemy you have to understand their motives and aims.

They were killing civilians, and not perpherillery, but on purpose. So,
the lines were drawn in the sand.

I agree... the lines were drawn by the US.... The 9/11 was a RETALIATION
not a first strike. Also it was the 3rd (or 4th) in a series.

Now, I am perfectly happy to spend the rest of my life seeking them out
and killing them. - How much simpler can it get than this?

That is the problem... simple solution for simple minds.... Your
solution is WRONG and means you can NEVER win this fight.

What would you suggest to win this fight?
Don't bother to ask.....they have no exit strategy......

Who is the "they" that doesn't ?

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\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

"mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH wrote:
Jürgen Exner wrote:
just as it works for FOX News. If the meaning of a scare word doesn't
fit your purpose then just change the meaning of that word and repeat it
over and over until people actually start believing it..

Thank you very much indeed for proving my point so eloquently.

Thanks for being so wrong. A quick Google will find this in the
Merriam-Webster online dictionary:

socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental
administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Oh, one point where we actually agree on. I am surprised.

And that makes most of the high Democrat US leaders socialists
(i.e. believers in Socialism). FOR EXAMPLE: most of them are shown in
Youtube videos ... WHICH THEY HAVE NOT DISAVOWED ... advocating "single
payer" health care, which is a euphemism for goverment controlled health
care.

Then I suppose you also object to government controlled retirement
funding, government controlled road building and maintenance, government
controlled police and military, etc?

This has nothing to do with socialism. For 8 years I lived less than 2
miles from the Berlin Wall. I visited East Berlin frequently, I had
friends suffering in the real existing socialism, I still have friends
who grew up under those conditions. Don't you dare telling me that
social care has anything to do with socialism.

It is nothing but an obvious ploy by FOX and the ultra right propaganda
to confuse social and socialist until people are so scared that they
don't know the difference any more. As I said befo
"If the meaning of a scare word doesn't fit your purpose then just
change the meaning of that word and repeat it over and over until people
actually start believing it."
And it obviously worked very well on you.

As far as public health and social care is concerned: Don't you think
it's time for the USA to advance into the 20th century? All other
western countries have reached the 21th century already after all.

Obama clearly believes in government ownership of "means of production"
since he owns a big hunk of General Motors (though not total ownership.)

Then I suppose the board of directors of General Motors must be ultra
socialist. Because if memory serves me right it was them who went to
Washington several times and begged the government on their knees to
take that big hunk of their company.

jue

"Bill Graham" wrote:
[...]people like me are fast dying out

Glad to hear that.

jue

"Chris H" wrote in message
...
In message , Bill Graham
writes

"mikey4" wrote in message
ernal-september.org...

"Chris H" wrote in message news:uDb9mLAQthqKFAH
...
In message , Bill Graham
writes

To me, It's much simpler than that. I have no idea why some terrorists
plowed a couple of airliners into those two buildings on 9/11, and I
don't really care why they did it.

Then you can never hope to beat them.
It also shows you are an idiot. In asynchronous warfare, especially
where the enemy is an ideal not a country or geographical location, in
order to beat an enemy you have to understand their motives and aims.

They were killing civilians, and not perpherillery, but on purpose. So,
the lines were drawn in the sand.

I agree... the lines were drawn by the US.... The 9/11 was a
RETALIATION
not a first strike. Also it was the 3rd (or 4th) in a series.

Now, I am perfectly happy to spend the rest of my life seeking them out
and killing them. - How much simpler can it get than this?

That is the problem... simple solution for simple minds.... Your
solution is WRONG and means you can NEVER win this fight.

What would you suggest to win this fight?
Don't bother to ask.....they have no exit strategy......

Who is the "they" that doesn't ?

I speak of the liberals, or socialists, who screamed, "Bush has no exit
strategy". Like you can see into the future, and know in advance when and
how you will see and end to a war and be able to predict, and publish, your
pull-out date. This is ridiculous, but it was the cry of the liberal
democrats for years.....

"Jürgen Exner" wrote in message
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"mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH wrote:
Jürgen Exner wrote:
just as it works for FOX News. If the meaning of a scare word doesn't
fit your purpose then just change the meaning of that word and repeat it
over and over until people actually start believing it..

Thank you very much indeed for proving my point so eloquently.

Thanks for being so wrong. A quick Google will find this in the
Merriam-Webster online dictionary:

socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective
or governmental
administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Oh, one point where we actually agree on. I am surprised.

And that makes most of the high Democrat US leaders socialists
(i.e. believers in Socialism). FOR EXAMPLE: most of them are shown in
Youtube videos ... WHICH THEY HAVE NOT DISAVOWED ... advocating "single
payer" health care, which is a euphemism for goverment controlled health
care.

Then I suppose you also object to government controlled retirement
funding, government controlled road building and maintenance, government
controlled police and military, etc?

This has nothing to do with socialism. For 8 years I lived less than 2
miles from the Berlin Wall. I visited East Berlin frequently, I had
friends suffering in the real existing socialism, I still have friends
who grew up under those conditions. Don't you dare telling me that
social care has anything to do with socialism.

It is nothing but an obvious ploy by FOX and the ultra right propaganda
to confuse social and socialist until people are so scared that they
don't know the difference any more. As I said befo
"If the meaning of a scare word doesn't fit your purpose then just
change the meaning of that word and repeat it over and over until people
actually start believing it."
And it obviously worked very well on you.

As far as public health and social care is concerned: Don't you think
it's time for the USA to advance into the 20th century? All other
western countries have reached the 21th century already after all.

How many "hangers on" do you guys have in those "Western countries"? Here in
the USA we have experts at cheating the government out of money. They are so
good at it, that the government has made it nearly inpossible to get a dime
from them, to the point where the only people wo know how to cheat the
system are those who are so smart and able that they could do really good on
their own, in business, but they have specialized in cheating the welfare
system....And, the poor souls who really need sime help can't even begin to
get any money.....


Obama clearly believes in government ownership of "means of production"
since he owns a big hunk of General Motors (though not total ownership.)

Then I suppose the board of directors of General Motors must be ultra
socialist. Because if memory serves me right it was them who went to
Washington several times and begged the government on their knees to
take that big hunk of their company.

jue

Bill Graham wrote:
"Chris H" wrote in message
Bill Graham
"mikey4" wrote in message

That is the problem... simple solution for simple minds.... Your
solution is WRONG and means you can NEVER win this fight.

What would you suggest to win this fight?
Don't bother to ask.....they have no exit strategy......

Who is the "they" that doesn't ?

I speak of the liberals, or socialists, who screamed, "Bush has no exit
strategy".

He didn't.

Obviously.

Like you can see into the future,

We don't need to see into the future anymore, rightard.

--
Ray Fischer

"Chris H" wrote in message
...
In message , Bill Graham
writes

"mikey4" wrote in message
ernal-september.org...

"Chris H" wrote in message news:uDb9mLAQthqKFAH
...
In message , Bill Graham
writes

To me, It's much simpler than that. I have no idea why some terrorists
plowed a couple of airliners into those two buildings on 9/11, and I
don't really care why they did it.

Then you can never hope to beat them.
It also shows you are an idiot. In asynchronous warfare, especially
where the enemy is an ideal not a country or geographical location, in
order to beat an enemy you have to understand their motives and aims.

They were killing civilians, and not perpherillery, but on purpose. So,
the lines were drawn in the sand.

I agree... the lines were drawn by the US.... The 9/11 was a
RETALIATION
not a first strike. Also it was the 3rd (or 4th) in a series.

Now, I am perfectly happy to spend the rest of my life seeking them out
and killing them. - How much simpler can it get than this?

That is the problem... simple solution for simple minds.... Your
solution is WRONG and means you can NEVER win this fight.

What would you suggest to win this fight?
Don't bother to ask.....they have no exit strategy......

Who is the "they" that doesn't ?

I ask a straight forward question to a person *who* seems to have better
information than I and I can't get an answer.

In message , Bill Graham
writes

"Chris H" wrote in message news:Fnq3$3GKpktKFApK@p
haedsys.demon.co.uk...
In message , Bill Graham
writes

"mikey4" wrote in message
ernal-september.org...

"Chris H" wrote in message news:uDb9mLAQthqKFAH
...
In message , Bill Graham
writes

To me, It's much simpler than that. I have no idea why some terrorists
plowed a couple of airliners into those two buildings on 9/11, and I
don't really care why they did it.

Then you can never hope to beat them.
It also shows you are an idiot. In asynchronous warfare, especially
where the enemy is an ideal not a country or geographical location, in
order to beat an enemy you have to understand their motives and aims.

They were killing civilians, and not perpherillery, but on purpose. So,
the lines were drawn in the sand.

I agree... the lines were drawn by the US.... The 9/11 was a
RETALIATION
not a first strike. Also it was the 3rd (or 4th) in a series.

Now, I am perfectly happy to spend the rest of my life seeking them out
and killing them. - How much simpler can it get than this?

That is the problem... simple solution for simple minds.... Your
solution is WRONG and means you can NEVER win this fight.

What would you suggest to win this fight?
Don't bother to ask.....they have no exit strategy......

Who is the "they" that doesn't ?

I speak of the liberals, or socialists, who screamed, "Bush has no exit
strategy". Like you can see into the future, and know in advance when
and how you will see and end to a war and be able to predict, and
publish, your pull-out date. This is ridiculous, but it was the cry of
the liberal democrats for years.....


I am a life long Tory (republican to you) NOT a liberal and certainly
not a socialist!

I have Military experience. Including ME and counter terrorist.

As for seeing into the future things have happened as predicted over the
last 8 years. I think I have a track record of being 80-90% correct. But
then it is not rocket science.

The Bush administration made all the mistakes predicted... that is why
it lost in Iraq and can not win in Afghanistan. Though it took 6 years
for the US military to admit this publicly


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\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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