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I made lemonade this morning.
In article 2014090614364197386-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-09-06 21:14:23 +0000, Bartolomeo said: Bartolomeo: W dniu 2014-09-06 22:35, Savageduck pisze: Savageduck: and at 05:38 AM in not such good light. https://db.tt/SJcx95S9 ...and a B&W version with a slight blue tone. https://db.tt/Q9nO76XN Bartolomeo: Just lurking here but have persisting impression that all buildings fall to the right. You might note that the shoreline is level, and the buildings are vertical. Just because the Vancouver city planers located shorter buildings to the right, doesn't actually mean they are falling to the right. Check for yourself, the verticals are vertical, and the horizon is level; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_889.jpg It's easy to hide a lean when not zoomed in, where a 1 pixel line easily covers several pixels of image data. Here you can see that it's leaning: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5xzc1jjvn87gos/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.53.29.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfafzs534ck60cr/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.55.54.png?dl=0 Not by much, of course, but your eye and mind sees it. -- Sandman[.net] |
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I made lemonade this morning.
On 2014-09-07 07:56:18 +0000, Sandman said:
In article 2014090614364197386-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-09-06 21:14:23 +0000, Bartolomeo said: Bartolomeo: W dniu 2014-09-06 22:35, Savageduck pisze: Savageduck: and at 05:38 AM in not such good light. https://db.tt/SJcx95S9 ...and a B&W version with a slight blue tone. https://db.tt/Q9nO76XN Bartolomeo: Just lurking here but have persisting impression that all buildings fall to the right. You might note that the shoreline is level, and the buildings are vertical. Just because the Vancouver city planers located shorter buildings to the right, doesn't actually mean they are falling to the right. Check for yourself, the verticals are vertical, and the horizon is level; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_889.jpg It's easy to hide a lean when not zoomed in, where a 1 pixel line easily covers several pixels of image data. Here you can see that it's leaning: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5xzc1jjvn87gos/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.53.29.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfafzs534ck60cr/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.55.54.png?dl=0 Not by much, of course, but your eye and mind sees it. Well, oops! -- Regards, Savageduck |
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I made lemonade this morning.
On 7 Sep 2014 07:56:18 GMT, Sandman wrote:
In article 2014090614364197386-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-09-06 21:14:23 +0000, Bartolomeo said: Bartolomeo: W dniu 2014-09-06 22:35, Savageduck pisze: Savageduck: and at 05:38 AM in not such good light. https://db.tt/SJcx95S9 ...and a B&W version with a slight blue tone. https://db.tt/Q9nO76XN Bartolomeo: Just lurking here but have persisting impression that all buildings fall to the right. You might note that the shoreline is level, and the buildings are vertical. Just because the Vancouver city planers located shorter buildings to the right, doesn't actually mean they are falling to the right. Check for yourself, the verticals are vertical, and the horizon is level; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_889.jpg It's easy to hide a lean when not zoomed in, where a 1 pixel line easily covers several pixels of image data. Here you can see that it's leaning: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5xzc1jjvn87gos/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.53.29.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfafzs534ck60cr/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.55.54.png?dl=0 Not by much, of course, but your eye and mind sees it. Yep, and I reckon the problems stems from using the perceived waterline as a horizon to level it. The view point is above the level of the horizon and the waterline is at a considerably varying distance from the camera. Setting it up on the building verticals in the middle of the image would have been more accurate. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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I made lemonade this morning.
On 2014-09-07 08:44:33 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On 7 Sep 2014 07:56:18 GMT, Sandman wrote: In article 2014090614364197386-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-09-06 21:14:23 +0000, Bartolomeo said: Bartolomeo: W dniu 2014-09-06 22:35, Savageduck pisze: Savageduck: and at 05:38 AM in not such good light. https://db.tt/SJcx95S9 ...and a B&W version with a slight blue tone. https://db.tt/Q9nO76XN Bartolomeo: Just lurking here but have persisting impression that all buildings fall to the right. You might note that the shoreline is level, and the buildings are vertical. Just because the Vancouver city planers located shorter buildings to the right, doesn't actually mean they are falling to the right. Check for yourself, the verticals are vertical, and the horizon is level; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_889.jpg It's easy to hide a lean when not zoomed in, where a 1 pixel line easily covers several pixels of image data. Here you can see that it's leaning: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5xzc1jjvn87gos/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.53.29.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfafzs534ck60cr/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.55.54.png?dl=0 Not by much, of course, but your eye and mind sees it. Yep, and I reckon the problems stems from using the perceived waterline as a horizon to level it. The view point is above the level of the horizon and the waterline is at a considerably varying distance from the camera. Setting it up on the building verticals in the middle of the image would have been more accurate. Back to the drawing board. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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I made lemonade this morning.
On 2014-09-07 08:44:33 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On 7 Sep 2014 07:56:18 GMT, Sandman wrote: In article 2014090614364197386-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-09-06 21:14:23 +0000, Bartolomeo said: Bartolomeo: W dniu 2014-09-06 22:35, Savageduck pisze: Savageduck: and at 05:38 AM in not such good light. https://db.tt/SJcx95S9 ...and a B&W version with a slight blue tone. https://db.tt/Q9nO76XN Bartolomeo: Just lurking here but have persisting impression that all buildings fall to the right. You might note that the shoreline is level, and the buildings are vertical. Just because the Vancouver city planers located shorter buildings to the right, doesn't actually mean they are falling to the right. Check for yourself, the verticals are vertical, and the horizon is level; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_889.jpg It's easy to hide a lean when not zoomed in, where a 1 pixel line easily covers several pixels of image data. Here you can see that it's leaning: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5xzc1jjvn87gos/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.53.29.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfafzs534ck60cr/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.55.54.png?dl=0 Not by much, of course, but your eye and mind sees it. Yep, and I reckon the problems stems from using the perceived waterline as a horizon to level it. The view point is above the level of the horizon and the waterline is at a considerably varying distance from the camera. Setting it up on the building verticals in the middle of the image would have been more accurate. OK! This time I ignore the waterline and just checked verticals across the the buildings. So here I believe I have the verticals perpendicular; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_891.jpg To reach this final result, which, I hope doesn't ruin too many senses of balance. https://db.tt/W0AhG2cl -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2014-09-07 04:50:38 +0000, Savageduck said:
On 2014-09-07 03:45:04 +0000, rickman said: On 9/6/2014 5:14 PM, Bartolomeo wrote: W dniu 2014-09-06 22:35, Savageduck pisze: and at 05:38 AM in not such good light. https://db.tt/SJcx95S9 ...and a B&W version with a slight blue tone. https://db.tt/Q9nO76XN Just lurking here but have persisting impression that all buildings fall to the right. Yeah, I see it too. Nothing to do with the height of the buildings. Actually, the buildings are leaning. I guess the image is a little rotated to keep the shoreline level when in fact it is receding away on the right side. Yup! It is not a linear shoreline. It falls away tp the right, and there are several jetties and the shadows they cast, which add to a broken shoreline. In Savageduck's image with the vertical lines drawn you can see on the second building from the left that the building edge is not parallel to the guideline. Sometimes there are compromises to be made. The distortion on the right is minimal, any further correction there would result in gross vertical distortion to the buildings on the left and center. That would have been far more of an issue. As I said sometimes there are composition problems involving line and distortion imparted by a particular lens. In the case of the example below there were multiple issues ranging from exposure, to conspicuous non-vertical, non-horizontal, & non-parallel lines. So there was much tweaking involved to reach a reasonably acceptable image. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_890.jpg BTW: Here is the final (at this time) version; https://db.tt/na0vWcm3 -- Regards, Savageduck |
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I made lemonade this morning.
In article 2014090702291281188-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote:
Eric Stevens: Yep, and I reckon the problems stems from using the perceived waterline as a horizon to level it. The view point is above the level of the horizon and the waterline is at a considerably varying distance from the camera. Setting it up on the building verticals in the middle of the image would have been more accurate. OK! This time I ignore the waterline and just checked verticals across the the buildings. So here I believe I have the verticals perpendicular; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_891.jpg To reach this final result, which, I hope doesn't ruin too many senses of balance. https://db.tt/W0AhG2cl Much better! Rule of thumb - if there are buildings, especially tall ones, in the image, level vertically on them. If not, level on horizon. If drunk, level on nearest horse/dog/sand castle. -- Sandman[.net] |
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I made lemonade this morning.
On 2014-09-07 13:08:59 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:
In article 2014090702291281188-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, says... On 2014-09-07 08:44:33 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On 7 Sep 2014 07:56:18 GMT, Sandman wrote: In article 2014090614364197386-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-09-06 21:14:23 +0000, Bartolomeo said: Bartolomeo: W dniu 2014-09-06 22:35, Savageduck pisze: Savageduck: and at 05:38 AM in not such good light. https://db.tt/SJcx95S9 ...and a B&W version with a slight blue tone. https://db.tt/Q9nO76XN Bartolomeo: Just lurking here but have persisting impression that all buildings fall to the right. You might note that the shoreline is level, and the buildings are vertical. Just because the Vancouver city planers located shorter buildings to the right, doesn't actually mean they are falling to the right. Check for yourself, the verticals are vertical, and the horizon is level; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_889.jpg It's easy to hide a lean when not zoomed in, where a 1 pixel line easily covers several pixels of image data. Here you can see that it's leaning: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g5xzc1jjvn87gos/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.53.29.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfafzs534ck60cr/Screenshot%202014-09-07%2009.55.54.png?dl=0 Not by much, of course, but your eye and mind sees it. Yep, and I reckon the problems stems from using the perceived waterline as a horizon to level it. The view point is above the level of the horizon and the waterline is at a considerably varying distance from the camera. Setting it up on the building verticals in the middle of the image would have been more accurate. OK! This time I ignore the waterline and just checked verticals across the the buildings. So here I believe I have the verticals perpendicular; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_891.jpg To reach this final result, which, I hope doesn't ruin too many senses of balance. https://db.tt/W0AhG2cl I think your first approach was better. For some reason the buildings in the center look like they're leaning to the right now. I think a more fruitful approach would be to get the center aligned exactly vertically and then use perspective crop to straighten up the buildings on the left and right edges. Aaaagh!! -- Regards, Savageduck |
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I made lemonade this morning.
On 2014-09-07 18:57:09 +0000, Alfred Molon said:
In article , Sandman says... Rule of thumb - if there are buildings, especially tall ones, in the image, level vertically on them. Depends on how far away those buildings are. If close, the vertical lines would be angled. When are you going to set the clock on your computer? You are several hours fast. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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