OT (Just) Apple MacBook Pro Failures

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 11:30:55 UTC+1, android wrote:
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Whisky-dave wrote:



On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 05:59:26 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:





I don't know how any manufacturer who wanted to keep a reputation for

quality could expect to get away with ignoring widespread faults like

this.



The problem is that not everyone is getting this problem and some are
solving

it in various ways which is odd. One person suggests :-

"Simply run Onyx and have your ColorSync cache cleared." and that sorted
at

least two people out.



Others have come up with other solutuions, of course this shouldn't
really

happen.



Other manufacuers have problems too, but tend not be talked about as
much.



https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-...-Touchpad-prob
lems

-win8-1/td-p/1425779/page/3



Looks like Windows problem to me... ;-p

Strange that HP and Dell machines don't appear to have the same problems
unless they're keeping quiet about it.
But then again the Macbook pro could be a OS problem too as that's how some
have solved their problems.

Then again eother problem could be linked to a specific piece of hardware
and software that don't like working together.

Apple is high profile premium. People expect things to just work. Dell
OTOH...
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 05:59:26 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:


I don't know how any manufacturer who wanted to keep a reputation for
quality could expect to get away with ignoring widespread faults like
this.

The problem is that not everyone is getting this problem and some are solving it in various ways which is odd. One person suggests :-
"Simply run Onyx and have your ColorSync cache cleared." and that sorted at least two people out.

Maybe there are both software and hardware problems which just happen
to look alike?

Others have come up with other solutuions, of course this shouldn't really happen.

Other manufacuers have problems too, but tend not be talked about as much.

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-...1425779/page/3

That one sounds like software.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 23:34:52 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave

wrote:


On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 05:59:26 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:


I don't know how any manufacturer who wanted to keep a reputation for

quality could expect to get away with ignoring widespread faults like

this.



The problem is that not everyone is getting this problem and some are
solving it in various ways which is odd. One person suggests :-

"Simply run Onyx and have your ColorSync cache cleared." and that sorted
at least two people out.



Maybe there are both software and hardware problems which just happen
to look alike?

depends on how close you are looking.



Others have come up with other solutuions, of course this shouldn't really
happen.


Other manufacuers have problems too, but tend not be talked about as much.



https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-...Touchpad-probl
ems-win8-1/td-p/1425779/page/3



That one sounds like software.

So why isn't the same thing happening on every PC running W7 & W8.1 then ?

That's Windows for you. It takes one subcontractor to mess it up...
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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 23:34:52 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave

wrote:


On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 05:59:26 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:


I don't know how any manufacturer who wanted to keep a reputation for

quality could expect to get away with ignoring widespread faults like

this.



The problem is that not everyone is getting this problem and some are
solving it in various ways which is odd. One person suggests :-

"Simply run Onyx and have your ColorSync cache cleared." and that sorted
at least two people out.



Maybe there are both software and hardware problems which just happen
to look alike?

depends on how close you are looking.



Others have come up with other solutuions, of course this shouldn't really
happen.


Other manufacuers have problems too, but tend not be talked about as much.



https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-...Touchpad-probl
ems-win8-1/td-p/1425779/page/3



That one sounds like software.

So why isn't the same thing happening on every PC running W7 & W8.1 then ?

That's Windows for you. It takes one subcontractor to mess it up...

Why is the same thing happening on the same machines under Linux?

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"J. Clarke" wrote:

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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 23:34:52 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:23:08 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave

wrote:


On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 05:59:26 UTC+1, Eric Stevens wrote:


I don't know how any manufacturer who wanted to keep a reputation
for

quality could expect to get away with ignoring widespread faults
like

this.



The problem is that not everyone is getting this problem and some are
solving it in various ways which is odd. One person suggests :-

"Simply run Onyx and have your ColorSync cache cleared." and that
sorted
at least two people out.



Maybe there are both software and hardware problems which just happen
to look alike?

depends on how close you are looking.



Others have come up with other solutuions, of course this shouldn't
really
happen.


Other manufacuers have problems too, but tend not be talked about as
much.



https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-...400-Touchpad-p
robl
ems-win8-1/td-p/1425779/page/3



That one sounds like software.

So why isn't the same thing happening on every PC running W7 & W8.1 then
?

That's Windows for you. It takes one subcontractor to mess it up...

Why is the same thing happening on the same machines under Linux?

Someone reversed engineered the propriety Windows solution? That's used
to be legal in many places regardless of what the EULA says. Might have
changed...
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On 2014.08.19, 17:11 , Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-08-19 20:31:24 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

At the risk of starting up you_know_who, those of us who use Apple
MacBook Pros should be aware of:
http://www.zdnet.com/petition-about-...es-7000032751/

or

http://tinyurl.com/l33kfvd

Personally I have not heard of this issue prior to this story. My MBP is
pre-2011 and I have not experienced any of these symptoms. The most
likely candidate for ownership of one of these MBPs is Alan Browne.

My son's is a 2009 - highly damaged from student life - but still
working. (Screen is badly cracked, pivot broken... still works however...)

I have an iMac (late 2012 after selling the 2007 iMac). SO has an MBA
(2009) and I recently got a 2014 MBA as well for business use.


Frankly it has a "FUDDISH" feel to it coming out of that den of FUD, ZDNet.

Apple have a poor record when it comes to backing manufacturing defects
that are inconvenient to them...

http://www.seattlerex.com/suing-apple/
The Apple lawyers came out as lying clowns in court...

and now...
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patentl...ic-boards.html




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On 8/21/2014 9:07 AM, android wrote:


That's Windows for you. It takes one subcontractor to mess it up...


Different OEMs make customizations to the softwaare. Shch is why OEM
versions of Windows are theorhetically not supported by MS.

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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

The most important thing to me was that help may be on the way for
those who have not received it as yet.

just like any other failure.

it's not news. it's linkbait.

you don't see such articles when there's a failure on lenovo or dell or
sony, do you? nope.

It's not the failure that has prompted the article.

It's not the fact that people have not received help outside the
warranty period.

some have and some haven't.

apple is generally very good about fixing things outside the warranty
period when it's a known issue even if there's no formal repair
extension.

however, if there isn't a formal repair extension, some people will be
told they need to pay.

if this really is a widespread issue (and 10k is not widespread when
you sell millions), then they'll issue a repair extension and refund
repair costs people may have paid.

It's the fact that another class of Apple users have experienced a
similar failure and have received help outside the warranty period
while this class of presumed equaly meretricious Apple users are not
receiving help outside the warranty period for an apparently similar
failure.

I would expect Lenovo or Dell or Sony would attract attention if the
behaved in the same way.

i wouldn't.

if you think that has never happened then you're in denial.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

At the risk of starting up you_know_who, those of us who use Apple
MacBook Pros should be aware of:


http://www.zdnet.com/petition-about-...-passes-10000-
si
gnatures-7000032751/
or http://tinyurl.com/l33kfvd

more of the usual linkbait.

problems can happen in anything and 10,000 out of millions is very low
anyway, but history shows that apple will probably issue an extended
repair program and fix the problem for anyone afflicted, including
refunding repair costs for those who paid for any previous repairs.

Isn't that what lies behind all this? Apple have not done it in this
case.

yet.

the problem has to become an issue before a repair extension can be
declared, and sometimes that takes a year or two.

a bunch of users with defect systems is not necessarily indicative of a
widespread problem.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

The most important thing to me was that help may be on the way for
those who have not received it as yet.

just like any other failure.

it's not news. it's linkbait.

you don't see such articles when there's a failure on lenovo or dell or
sony, do you? nope.

That's because people expect more from Apple then Dell. I would not
accept anything but quality from Lenovo...

I don't know how any manufacturer who wanted to keep a reputation for
quality could expect to get away with ignoring widespread faults like
this.

what makes you think they're ignoring it?

just because they haven't offered a repair extension *yet* doesn't mean
they never will.