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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
On Jun 15, 2017, android wrote
(in ): In , Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:35:38 +0200 (GMT+02:00), android wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:55:33 +1000, wrote: On 13/06/2017 5:08 @wiz, wrote: I've seen those discussions about 4/3 vs other sizes, and it's all nonsense that a4/3 sensor, which is only slightly smaller than an APS-c sensor, can't produce great images. If you can't get great images out of an Oly e-M1 I, give up. Aye, same here. I used a D200 Nikon for many years. And a 7200 for less. Now I use exclusively m4/3 (a em5MII and a Em1) and quite frankly the m4/3 stuff beats the crap off everything else! Honestly, I recently made a big print (3' x 4') for a friend, and it looks stellar. I have no need for a larger and heavier system. Anyone who claims that they can't get good images out of m4/3 probably wouldn't be able to get good images out of a Nikon D810, either. But hey, to each his/her own. If someone enjoys shooting a Leica M9 to get snapshots of their kid's birthday party, have at it. Small sensors are great for OTG sketches. Your phone is your pal here... Sample from the Xperia M4 edited in PS for Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...0615_162545.jp g It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. There is always a way to fix that sort of thing, starting with having things straight when you take the shot, and then not adding a silly digital frame when you process. https://www.dropbox.com/s/58hr7r3k0cgtewf/android-picC.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
In article .com,
Savageduck wrote: On Jun 15, 2017, android wrote (in ): In , Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:35:38 +0200 (GMT+02:00), android wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:55:33 +1000, wrote: On 13/06/2017 5:08 @wiz, wrote: I've seen those discussions about 4/3 vs other sizes, and it's all nonsense that a4/3 sensor, which is only slightly smaller than an APS-c sensor, can't produce great images. If you can't get great images out of an Oly e-M1 I, give up. Aye, same here. I used a D200 Nikon for many years. And a 7200 for less. Now I use exclusively m4/3 (a em5MII and a Em1) and quite frankly the m4/3 stuff beats the crap off everything else! Honestly, I recently made a big print (3' x 4') for a friend, and it looks stellar. I have no need for a larger and heavier system. Anyone who claims that they can't get good images out of m4/3 probably wouldn't be able to get good images out of a Nikon D810, either. But hey, to each his/her own. If someone enjoys shooting a Leica M9 to get snapshots of their kid's birthday party, have at it. Small sensors are great for OTG sketches. Your phone is your pal here... Sample from the Xperia M4 edited in PS for Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...0170615_162545 .jp g It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. There is always a way to fix that sort of thing, starting with having things straight when you take the shot, and then not adding a silly digital frame when you process. https://www.dropbox.com/s/58hr7r3k0cgtewf/android-picC.jpg I can do stuff like that too but I surely think that my original was way better! :-)) -- teleportation kills |
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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 05:39:33 +0200, android wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:35:38 +0200 (GMT+02:00), android wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:55:33 +1000, Noons wrote: On 13/06/2017 5:08 @wiz, wrote: I've seen those discussions about 4/3 vs other sizes, and it's all nonsense that a4/3 sensor, which is only slightly smaller than an APS-c sensor, can't produce great images. If you can't get great images out of an Oly e-M1 I, give up. Aye, same here. I used a D200 Nikon for many years. And a 7200 for less. Now I use exclusively m4/3 (a em5MII and a Em1) and quite frankly the m4/3 stuff beats the crap off everything else! Honestly, I recently made a big print (3' x 4') for a friend, and it looks stellar. I have no need for a larger and heavier system. Anyone who claims that they can't get good images out of m4/3 probably wouldn't be able to get good images out of a Nikon D810, either. But hey, to each his/her own. If someone enjoys shooting a Leica M9 to get snapshots of their kid's birthday party, have at it. Small sensors are great for OTG sketches. Your phone is your pal here... Sample from the Xperia M4 edited in PS for Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/jkewtuovl0y0vxz/PSX_20170615_162545.jpg It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. The perspective distortion comes from the lense being pointed up and to the right of the building. If the lense was pointed horizontall the perspective distortion would be much less and could be corrected by geometrical corrections built into Photoshop and LightRoom etc. This is not to be confused with lense distortion. Here is a previously published example of an image showing much the same perspective distortion as the one under discussion (except that it is more or less symetrical) https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgfbskbe4c...941-2.jpg?dl=0 and her is the effect of correcting the perspective distortion. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dku87csvth...00941.jpg?dl=0 You will see that correcting the perspective distortion pinches in the bottom of the photograph, which is why I said you need a wider lense to capture a greater expanse of the foreground. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 21:04:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On Jun 15, 2017, android wrote (in ): In , Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:35:38 +0200 (GMT+02:00), android wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:55:33 +1000, wrote: On 13/06/2017 5:08 @wiz, wrote: I've seen those discussions about 4/3 vs other sizes, and it's all nonsense that a4/3 sensor, which is only slightly smaller than an APS-c sensor, can't produce great images. If you can't get great images out of an Oly e-M1 I, give up. Aye, same here. I used a D200 Nikon for many years. And a 7200 for less. Now I use exclusively m4/3 (a em5MII and a Em1) and quite frankly the m4/3 stuff beats the crap off everything else! Honestly, I recently made a big print (3' x 4') for a friend, and it looks stellar. I have no need for a larger and heavier system. Anyone who claims that they can't get good images out of m4/3 probably wouldn't be able to get good images out of a Nikon D810, either. But hey, to each his/her own. If someone enjoys shooting a Leica M9 to get snapshots of their kid's birthday party, have at it. Small sensors are great for OTG sketches. Your phone is your pal here... Sample from the Xperia M4 edited in PS for Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...0615_162545.jp g It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. There is always a way to fix that sort of thing, starting with having things straight when you take the shot, and then not adding a silly digital frame when you process. https://www.dropbox.com/s/58hr7r3k0cgtewf/android-picC.jpg THank you for providing the example of why you need a wider lense to prevent the bottom being pinched in. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 06:10:06 +0200, android wrote:
In article .com, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 15, 2017, android wrote (in ): In , Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:35:38 +0200 (GMT+02:00), android wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:55:33 +1000, wrote: On 13/06/2017 5:08 @wiz, wrote: I've seen those discussions about 4/3 vs other sizes, and it's all nonsense that a4/3 sensor, which is only slightly smaller than an APS-c sensor, can't produce great images. If you can't get great images out of an Oly e-M1 I, give up. Aye, same here. I used a D200 Nikon for many years. And a 7200 for less. Now I use exclusively m4/3 (a em5MII and a Em1) and quite frankly the m4/3 stuff beats the crap off everything else! Honestly, I recently made a big print (3' x 4') for a friend, and it looks stellar. I have no need for a larger and heavier system. Anyone who claims that they can't get good images out of m4/3 probably wouldn't be able to get good images out of a Nikon D810, either. But hey, to each his/her own. If someone enjoys shooting a Leica M9 to get snapshots of their kid's birthday party, have at it. Small sensors are great for OTG sketches. Your phone is your pal here... Sample from the Xperia M4 edited in PS for Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...0170615_162545 .jp g It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. There is always a way to fix that sort of thing, starting with having things straight when you take the shot, and then not adding a silly digital frame when you process. https://www.dropbox.com/s/58hr7r3k0cgtewf/android-picC.jpg I can do stuff like that too but I surely think that my original was way better! :-)) Arty - like? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
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Eric Stevens wrote: Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...70615_162545.j pg It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. The perspective distortion comes from the lense being pointed up and to the right of the building. If the lense was pointed horizontall the perspective distortion would be much less and could be corrected by geometrical corrections built into Photoshop and LightRoom etc. This is not to be confused with lense distortion. Yup. And perspective distortion is a traditional and respected tool to make a point on the nature of the subject. -- teleportation kills |
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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
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Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 21:04:11 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 15, 2017, android wrote (in ): In , Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:35:38 +0200 (GMT+02:00), android wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:55:33 +1000, wrote: On 13/06/2017 5:08 @wiz, wrote: I've seen those discussions about 4/3 vs other sizes, and it's all nonsense that a4/3 sensor, which is only slightly smaller than an APS-c sensor, can't produce great images. If you can't get great images out of an Oly e-M1 I, give up. Aye, same here. I used a D200 Nikon for many years. And a 7200 for less. Now I use exclusively m4/3 (a em5MII and a Em1) and quite frankly the m4/3 stuff beats the crap off everything else! Honestly, I recently made a big print (3' x 4') for a friend, and it looks stellar. I have no need for a larger and heavier system. Anyone who claims that they can't get good images out of m4/3 probably wouldn't be able to get good images out of a Nikon D810, either. But hey, to each his/her own. If someone enjoys shooting a Leica M9 to get snapshots of their kid's birthday party, have at it. Small sensors are great for OTG sketches. Your phone is your pal here... Sample from the Xperia M4 edited in PS for Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...20170615_16254 5.jp g It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. There is always a way to fix that sort of thing, starting with having things straight when you take the shot, and then not adding a silly digital frame when you process. [---] THank you for providing the example of why you need a wider lense to prevent the bottom being pinched in. This was as stated a sample of that on the go snaps and scetches can readily be made with a phone (Xperia M4). No need for MILCs with silly small sensors... This one has a 22/2.0 fullframe equivalence lense and I don't think that many smart phones comes with wider ones. I would have moved a meter or so back if this had been a serious picture but that would have been way to good for you... -- teleportation kills |
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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
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Eric Stevens wrote: On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 06:10:06 +0200, android wrote: In article .com, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 15, 2017, android wrote (in ): In , Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:35:38 +0200 (GMT+02:00), android wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:55:33 +1000, wrote: On 13/06/2017 5:08 @wiz, wrote: I've seen those discussions about 4/3 vs other sizes, and it's all nonsense that a4/3 sensor, which is only slightly smaller than an APS-c sensor, can't produce great images. If you can't get great images out of an Oly e-M1 I, give up. Aye, same here. I used a D200 Nikon for many years. And a 7200 for less. Now I use exclusively m4/3 (a em5MII and a Em1) and quite frankly the m4/3 stuff beats the crap off everything else! Honestly, I recently made a big print (3' x 4') for a friend, and it looks stellar. I have no need for a larger and heavier system. Anyone who claims that they can't get good images out of m4/3 probably wouldn't be able to get good images out of a Nikon D810, either. But hey, to each his/her own. If someone enjoys shooting a Leica M9 to get snapshots of their kid's birthday party, have at it. Small sensors are great for OTG sketches. Your phone is your pal here... Sample from the Xperia M4 edited in PS for Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...X_20170615_162 545 .jp g It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. There is always a way to fix that sort of thing, starting with having things straight when you take the shot, and then not adding a silly digital frame when you process. https://www.dropbox.com/s/58hr7r3k0cgtewf/android-picC.jpg I can do stuff like that too but I surely think that my original was way better! :-)) Arty - like? I don't that SD's attempt of key stoning that file was a mega success... -- teleportation kills |
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See Nikon? Clasping hands over ears and repeating, "I can't hear, I can't hear..." only works for so long
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:13:28 +0200, android wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 06:10:06 +0200, android wrote: In article .com, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 15, 2017, android wrote (in ): In , Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:35:38 +0200 (GMT+02:00), android wrote: Wrote in message: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:55:33 +1000, wrote: On 13/06/2017 5:08 @wiz, wrote: I've seen those discussions about 4/3 vs other sizes, and it's all nonsense that a4/3 sensor, which is only slightly smaller than an APS-c sensor, can't produce great images. If you can't get great images out of an Oly e-M1 I, give up. Aye, same here. I used a D200 Nikon for many years. And a 7200 for less. Now I use exclusively m4/3 (a em5MII and a Em1) and quite frankly the m4/3 stuff beats the crap off everything else! Honestly, I recently made a big print (3' x 4') for a friend, and it looks stellar. I have no need for a larger and heavier system. Anyone who claims that they can't get good images out of m4/3 probably wouldn't be able to get good images out of a Nikon D810, either. But hey, to each his/her own. If someone enjoys shooting a Leica M9 to get snapshots of their kid's birthday party, have at it. Small sensors are great for OTG sketches. Your phone is your pal here... Sample from the Xperia M4 edited in PS for Android: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...X_20170615_162 545 .jp g It's OK if you can stand the perspective distortion. Otherwise you need a wider angle lense. The perspective distortion comes with the 22mm focal length equivalence... A wider lense gives you more distortion. There is always a way to fix that sort of thing, starting with having things straight when you take the shot, and then not adding a silly digital frame when you process. https://www.dropbox.com/s/58hr7r3k0cgtewf/android-picC.jpg I can do stuff like that too but I surely think that my original was way better! :-)) Arty - like? I don't that SD's attempt of key stoning that file was a mega success... He could have done more if he had put more time into it. But even then, what he can do is limited by the original. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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