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At the airshow
On May 29, 2016, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ): On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:04:02 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2016-05-29 16:52, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-05-29 20:37:21 +0000, Alan Browne said: On 2016-05-29 16:17, PeterN wrote: I could not identify some of these planes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_3014.jp g C-47 (DC-3) in the middle). Yup! Texans (AT-6) to the sides, (I think). ...and yup! B17 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_2987.jp g this has been done millions of times, but it's the first time for me. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3342.jpg What is this plane? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3323.jpg F-105 (Thunderchief, "Thud") Once again, you are correct sir! And The Duck should know this one. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3337.jpg No idea - not enough detail. I suspect that it is an F-86 'Sabre'. The chewed up panel doesn't help with the ID, but the stick is all F-86, and the ejector seat headrest cushion is very much an F-86A type. Panel is wrong. After a cursory Google search, I have to say I agree with you. Did you find any two F-86 panels that were identical? For that shot, with that totally messed up panel there is no way you could use the panel to make an ID. However the stick and the ejector seat headrest cushion are typical of an F-86, or similar late 1940s-early 1950’s era. A distinct possibility is a P-80/F-80 which had a similar stick and ejector seat. I doubt that it is the F-86 derivative the FJ-2/4. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On May 29, 2016, Alan Browne wrote
(in ): On 2016-05-29 17:19, Savageduck wrote: On May 29, 2016, Alan Browne wrote Panel is wrong. The panel is a mess, and there was little consistency among F-86 panels, from the North American originals to all the variants through to F-86F, add in the Canadair variant (Mk 1-Mk 6) panels, and the custom panels for the Australian (CA-27), South African, Japanese, and other Airforces. Then there are the modernized panels found in airworthy ‘Sabres’. Granted - but it still doesn't look right. From the rail endings, to the height of the panel, esp. the top of the windshield post that does not taper forward on -86's as in the photo here. See: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ml0o6y3w1akg8db/PN1.jpg where the front top of the windshield mount is rounded going forward, v. It is an awkward shot, and that panel is ruined, not a great diagnostic feature. all photos of the -86 where that part forms a sharp angle: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x050jqd1kq28z8m/F-86.jpg Also, if that is the wing outside the cockpit, then it is definitely not an F-86 (or F-80 AFAICT). Take a closer look, that wing is not attached. I believe that is an isolated cockpit display with access stairs and a viewing platform/catwalk. The P-80/F-80 did not have the swept wings of the F-86. However, this might be a P-80/F-80 cockpit. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 5/29/2016 5:52 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2016-05-29 17:19, Savageduck wrote: On May 29, 2016, Alan Browne wrote Panel is wrong. The panel is a mess, and there was little consistency among F-86 panels, from the North American originals to all the variants through to F-86F, add in the Canadair variant (Mk 1-Mk 6) panels, and the custom panels for the Australian (CA-27), South African, Japanese, and other Airforces. Then there are the modernized panel found in airworthy ‘Sabres’. Granted - but it still doesn't look right. From the rail endings, to the height of the panel, esp. the top of the windshield post that does not taper forward on -86's as in the photo here. The image was shot with a semi fisheye lens. Nikon 10.5 DX. Could the built in lens distortion have created the issue. I ran it through the auto image correction in ACR. See: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ml0o6y3w1akg8db/PN1.jpg where the front top of the windshield mount is rounded going forward, v. all photos of the -86 where that part forms a sharp angle: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x050jqd1kq28z8m/F-86.jpg Also, if that is the wing outside the cockpit, then it is definitely not an F-86 (or F-80 AFAICT). -- PeterN |
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On 5/29/2016 5:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 29, 2016, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:04:02 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2016-05-29 16:52, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-05-29 20:37:21 +0000, Alan Browne said: On 2016-05-29 16:17, PeterN wrote: I could not identify some of these planes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_3014.jp g C-47 (DC-3) in the middle). Yup! Texans (AT-6) to the sides, (I think). ...and yup! B17 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_2987.jp g this has been done millions of times, but it's the first time for me. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3342.jpg What is this plane? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3323.jpg F-105 (Thunderchief, "Thud") Once again, you are correct sir! And The Duck should know this one. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3337.jpg No idea - not enough detail. I suspect that it is an F-86 'Sabre'. The chewed up panel doesn't help with the ID, but the stick is all F-86, and the ejector seat headrest cushion is very much an F-86A type. Panel is wrong. After a cursory Google search, I have to say I agree with you. Did you find any two F-86 panels that were identical? For that shot, with that totally messed up panel there is no way you could use the panel to make an ID. However the stick and the ejector seat headrest cushion are typical of an F-86, or similar late 1940s-early 1950’s era. At least you're not claiming i messed it up because I used a TC. ;-) A distinct possibility is a P-80/F-80 which had a similar stick and ejector seat. I doubt that it is the F-86 derivative the FJ-2/4. -- PeterN |
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On 5/29/2016 6:04 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 29, 2016, Alan Browne wrote (in ): On 2016-05-29 17:19, Savageduck wrote: On May 29, 2016, Alan Browne wrote Panel is wrong. The panel is a mess, and there was little consistency among F-86 panels, from the North American originals to all the variants through to F-86F, add in the Canadair variant (Mk 1-Mk 6) panels, and the custom panels for the Australian (CA-27), South African, Japanese, and other Airforces. Then there are the modernized panels found in airworthy ‘Sabres’. Granted - but it still doesn't look right. From the rail endings, to the height of the panel, esp. the top of the windshield post that does not taper forward on -86's as in the photo here. See: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ml0o6y3w1akg8db/PN1.jpg where the front top of the windshield mount is rounded going forward, v. It is an awkward shot, and that panel is ruined, not a great diagnostic feature. all photos of the -86 where that part forms a sharp angle: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x050jqd1kq28z8m/F-86.jpg Also, if that is the wing outside the cockpit, then it is definitely not an F-86 (or F-80 AFAICT). Take a closer look, that wing is not attached. I believe that is an isolated cockpit display with access stairs and a viewing platform/catwalk. The P-80/F-80 did not have the swept wings of the F-86. However, this might be a P-80/F-80 cockpit. I probably should have shot the sign stating what the plane was. The other on had no sign, but I just liked the way the plane juxtaposed with the sun, using that lens. I took my D800 out of over two years of semi retirement for this show. -- PeterN |
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On May 29, 2016, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 5/29/2016 5:53 PM, Savageduck wrote: On May 29, 2016, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:04:02 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2016-05-29 16:52, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-05-29 20:37:21 +0000, Alan Browne said: On 2016-05-29 16:17, PeterN wrote: I could not identify some of these planes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20160529_Air%20show_3014.jpg C-47 (DC-3) in the middle). Yup! Texans (AT-6) to the sides, (I think). ...and yup! B17 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_2987.jp g this has been done millions of times, but it's the first time for me. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3342.jpg What is this plane? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3323.jpg F-105 (Thunderchief, "Thud") Once again, you are correct sir! And The Duck should know this one. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3337.jpg No idea - not enough detail. I suspect that it is an F-86 'Sabre'. The chewed up panel doesn't help with the ID, but the stick is all F-86, and the ejector seat headrest cushion is very much an F-86A type. Panel is wrong. After a cursory Google search, I have to say I agree with you. Did you find any two F-86 panels that were identical? For that shot, with that totally messed up panel there is no way you could use the panel to make an ID. However the stick and the ejector seat headrest cushion are typical of an F-86, or similar late 1940s-early 1950’s era. At least you're not claiming i messed it up because I used a TC. ;-) Not with that lens. I noticed that you broke out the old D300. I know that airshows are not your usual hunting grounds, and aircraft are not your usual subject. So the only shot where I would have questioned some of your exposure setting choices, was the first one with the C-47 and AT-6’s. f/18 was stopped too much and the loss of detail in the aircraft is the result. You might have done better at f/6.3-f/8.0 @ ISO 400. A distinct possibility is a P-80/F-80 which had a similar stick and ejector seat. I doubt that it is the F-86 derivative the FJ-2/4. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 5/29/2016 6:34 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On May 29, 2016, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 5/29/2016 5:53 PM, Savageduck wrote: On May 29, 2016, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:04:02 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2016-05-29 16:52, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-05-29 20:37:21 +0000, Alan Browne said: On 2016-05-29 16:17, PeterN wrote: I could not identify some of these planes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/20160529_Air%20show_3014.jpg C-47 (DC-3) in the middle). Yup! Texans (AT-6) to the sides, (I think). ...and yup! B17 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_2987.jp g this has been done millions of times, but it's the first time for me. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3342.jpg What is this plane? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3323.jpg F-105 (Thunderchief, "Thud") Once again, you are correct sir! And The Duck should know this one. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3337.jpg No idea - not enough detail. I suspect that it is an F-86 'Sabre'. The chewed up panel doesn't help with the ID, but the stick is all F-86, and the ejector seat headrest cushion is very much an F-86A type. Panel is wrong. After a cursory Google search, I have to say I agree with you. Did you find any two F-86 panels that were identical? For that shot, with that totally messed up panel there is no way you could use the panel to make an ID. However the stick and the ejector seat headrest cushion are typical of an F-86, or similar late 1940s-early 1950’s era. At least you're not claiming i messed it up because I used a TC. ;-) Not with that lens. I noticed that you broke out the old D300. I know that airshows are not your usual hunting grounds, and aircraft are not your usual subject. So the only shot where I would have questioned some of your exposure setting choices, was the first one with the C-47 and AT-6’s. f/18 was stopped too much and the loss of detail in the aircraft is the result. You might have done better at f/6.3-f/8.0 @ ISO 400. That lens is optimal at f16. As for air show shooting, It is in my nature to explore new areas, within limits. (My wife objected to me taking a workshop in photographing nudes in Ireland. She has the same objection no matter where the workshop was given.) Besides I have little interest in portrait photography. -- PeterN |
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On 05/29/2016 07:16 PM, PeterN wrote:
That lens is optimal at f16. As for air show shooting, It is in my nature to explore new areas, within limits. (My wife objected to me taking a workshop in photographing nudes in Ireland. She has the same objection no matter where the workshop was given.) Besides I have little interest in portrait photography. You really don't need an interest in portrait photography to photograph nudes. Trust me on this... -- Ken Hart |
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 14:53:35 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On May 29, 2016, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:04:02 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2016-05-29 16:52, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-05-29 20:37:21 +0000, Alan Browne said: On 2016-05-29 16:17, PeterN wrote: I could not identify some of these planes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_3014.jp g C-47 (DC-3) in the middle). Yup! Texans (AT-6) to the sides, (I think). ...and yup! B17 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_2987.jp g this has been done millions of times, but it's the first time for me. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3342.jpg What is this plane? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3323.jpg F-105 (Thunderchief, "Thud") Once again, you are correct sir! And The Duck should know this one. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3337.jpg No idea - not enough detail. I suspect that it is an F-86 'Sabre'. The chewed up panel doesn't help with the ID, but the stick is all F-86, and the ejector seat headrest cushion is very much an F-86A type. Panel is wrong. After a cursory Google search, I have to say I agree with you. Did you find any two F-86 panels that were identical? I expected variants but I had hoped to find another the same. No luck though. For that shot, with that totally messed up panel there is no way you could use the panel to make an ID. However the stick and the ejector seat headrest cushion are typical of an F-86, or similar late 1940s-early 1950’s era. A distinct possibility is a P-80/F-80 which had a similar stick and ejector seat. I doubt that it is the F-86 derivative the FJ-2/4. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On May 29, 2016, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 5/29/2016 6:34 PM, Savageduck wrote: On May 29, 2016, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 5/29/2016 5:53 PM, Savageduck wrote: On May 29, 2016, Eric Stevens wrote (in ): On Sun, 29 May 2016 17:04:02 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2016-05-29 16:52, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-05-29 20:37:21 +0000, Alan Browne said: On 2016-05-29 16:17, PeterN wrote: I could not identify some of these planes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0show_3014.jpg C-47 (DC-3) in the middle). Yup! Texans (AT-6) to the sides, (I think). ...and yup! B17 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20show_2987.jp g this has been done millions of times, but it's the first time for me. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3342.jpg What is this plane? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3323.jpg F-105 (Thunderchief, "Thud") Once again, you are correct sir! And The Duck should know this one. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/_DSC3337.jpg No idea - not enough detail. I suspect that it is an F-86 'Sabre'. The chewed up panel doesn't help with the ID, but the stick is all F-86, and the ejector seat headrest cushion is very much an F-86A type. Panel is wrong. After a cursory Google search, I have to say I agree with you. Did you find any two F-86 panels that were identical? For that shot, with that totally messed up panel there is no way you could use the panel to make an ID. However the stick and the ejector seat headrest cushion are typical of an F-86, or similar late 1940s-early 1950’s era. At least you're not claiming i messed it up because I used a TC. ;-) Not with that lens. I noticed that you broke out the old D300. I know that airshows are not your usual hunting grounds, and aircraft are not your usual subject. So the only shot where I would have questioned some of your exposure setting choices, was the first one with the C-47 and AT-6’s. f/18 was stopped too much and the loss of detail in the aircraft is the result. You might have done better at f/6.3-f/8.0 @ ISO 400. That lens is optimal at f16. If we are talking about the Nikkor 28-300mm you have diffraction limiting coming into play at f/16 which reduces the central sharpness. Also you shot at f/18 which is worse. So it is not optimal at f/16, where did you read that? All the reports I have read for that Nikkor indicate that at the long end (200-300mm) best results are at f/8.0 and that stopping down any further does not produce sharper results. Fully stopped down at 300mm the results are decidedly blurry. It seems that it would be optimal at f/4-f/5.6 @ 28mm and f/8.0 for 300mm. As for air show shooting, It is in my nature to explore new areas, within limits. (My wife objected to me taking a workshop in photographing nudes in Ireland. She has the same objection no matter where the workshop was given.) Besides I have little interest in portrait photography. Well it was something different for you. I hope you enjoyed yourself. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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