Windows 10 - Day 1

On 6/1/2016 7:45 AM, AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 05:20:50 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article ,
lid says...
On Thu, 26 May 2016 01:30:08 -0400, tconway
wrote:

On 5/26/2016 12:18 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
I installed Windows 10 during the night. Goodbye Windows 7. So far.

It's actually very little change other than the START menu. My
desktop is the same, all programs except one seem to work, and no
glitches.

I lost my Tinnes Desktop Calendar, and I do rather miss it. It was up
on the desktop at all times. 10 has a calendar, but I haven't found a
way to keep it up on the desktop. I open it and then minimize it.

Dunno what all the fuss is about from the anti-10 contingent.

I have Windows 7 and was going to upgrade to W10, but I'm not allowed to
because my video drivers are too old and the manufacturer has not made
new ones that are compatible. ugh!

I've held off upgrading my wife's Win 7 "Samsung NC110 Netbook" though
I had planned to research it in the next few weeks.

Today I read

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05..._samsung_fail/

Will the pro-Win10 brigade please suggest how best I proceed?
It's a very low end 5 year old machine that the manufacturer no longer
supports. Trying to put Windows 10 on a machine that was marginal 5
years ago is going to be an exercise in frustration.


Then perhaps Microsoft would be so kind as to stop pestering to
upgrade with what is currently quite a stable machine. Or are their
programmers not clever enough to ascertain that the machine is
unsuitable.

One day my wife is going to indadvertenly clickk the wrong button and
two hours later say her machine has hung - can I fix it.

I would venture to say that it's not that simple for MS to know the
hardware configuration of every system running Windows 7 that they send
the upgrade notification to.

On 6/1/2016 7:51 AM, AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2016 14:15:03 +0100, David Taylor
wrote:

On 31/05/2016 12:49, AnthonyL wrote:
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I've held off upgrading my wife's Win 7 "Samsung NC110 Netbook" though
I had planned to research it in the next few weeks.

Today I read

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05..._samsung_fail/

Will the pro-Win10 brigade please suggest how best I proceed?
Samsung pulled out of some markets some time back:


http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/lapt...books-3573470/

so it looks like you are stuck with Win-7 until either Samsung get their
drivers updated (as most other companies have) or you buy a new PC.
Happy to stick with Win7, just don't want the nags from m$oft.

Try Never 10 https://www.grc.com/never10.htm


I
have hardware here which I don't intend to update either, but as it's XP
it's not being offered the upgrade.

I've got some Win7 licences to throw at my old Lenovo XP - when I've
built up the courage to do so.

In article , PAS wrote:

Then perhaps Microsoft would be so kind as to stop pestering to
upgrade with what is currently quite a stable machine. Or are their
programmers not clever enough to ascertain that the machine is
unsuitable.

One day my wife is going to indadvertenly clickk the wrong button and
two hours later say her machine has hung - can I fix it.

I would venture to say that it's not that simple for MS to know the
hardware configuration of every system running Windows 7 that they send
the upgrade notification to.

yep.

| One day my wife is going to indadvertenly clickk the wrong button and
| two hours later say her machine has hung - can I fix it.
|
| I would venture to say that it's not that simple for MS to know the
| hardware configuration of every system running Windows 7 that they send
| the upgrade notification to.
|

If I remember correctly there's actually a tool
that one can download from MS, to find out
whether there's any unsupported hardware that
might cause problems. A fail on that test *should*
result in not getting any more nags, but I don't
know whether it actually does.

Also, the telemetry spyware is being backported
to Win7.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...to-windows-7-8

So Microsoft are taking the liberty of also altering
older Windows versions. The only dependable way
to keep it clean is with a clean install and then
disable Windows update and BITS services.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:


Also, the telemetry spyware is being backported
to Win7.

telemetry is not spyware.

On 01/06/2016 15:16, Mayayana wrote:
[]
Also, the telemetry spyware is being backported
to Win7.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...to-windows-7-8

So Microsoft are taking the liberty of also altering
older Windows versions. The only dependable way
to keep it clean is with a clean install and then
disable Windows update and BITS services.

You'll find that Microsoft are not alone in offering this type of
service - many programs on Android and Apple iOS devices do just that.

You can, of course, opt out of sending impersonal telemetry information
back to Microsoft, whilst still retaining the benefit of security updates.

But I'm sure you already know that.
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

| You can, of course, opt out of sending impersonal telemetry information
| back to Microsoft, whilst still retaining the benefit of security updates.
|

There are two problems with that view:

1) It requires tech aptitude, knowledge, time
and effort to keep up with these things and
actually take advantage of opt-out options.
It's spyware precisely because it's sending
back data without asking.

2) It's not actually true.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/302...-snooping.html

Numerous sources have reported on the effective
inability to actually stop Microsoft spying on Windows
10. Can it be completely stopped on Win7? I don't
know. I wouldn't trust that it can be. As the linked
article points out, MS can't be trusted. On Win7 it
*should* be possible to prevent calling home by
blocking any outgoing MS services as well as svchost.
Does that work? I'm not certain. I don't have intimate
knowledge of the networking system on Windows. No one
does, for that matter. Microsoft doesn't make it all
public, so there's no way to know whether network
communication can be completely controlled.

Will it work on Win10?
Unlikely. Not only do the Win10 terms say you have
no choice about at least some of the data. According
to reports, some of the addresses that the spyware
calls home to are hard-coded and even bypass the
HOSTS file. The recommended solution is to block
specific IPs and URLs in one's router. This gets
ridiculous quickly. It reminds me of a story about
Richard Stallman, who was giving a talk when someone
in the audience asked a question. They were having
trouble using the compiler that Stallman had written.
Stallman's response: Then write your own.

Saying that people can disable these things if they
don't like them is a Silicon Valley version of "Let them
eat cake."

On 6/1/2016 10:16 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| One day my wife is going to indadvertenly clickk the wrong button and
| two hours later say her machine has hung - can I fix it.
|
| I would venture to say that it's not that simple for MS to know the
| hardware configuration of every system running Windows 7 that they send
| the upgrade notification to.
|

If I remember correctly there's actually a tool
that one can download from MS, to find out
whether there's any unsupported hardware that
might cause problems. A fail on that test *should*
result in not getting any more nags, but I don't
know whether it actually does.

Also, the telemetry spyware is being backported
to Win7.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing...to-windows-7-8

So Microsoft are taking the liberty of also altering
older Windows versions. The only dependable way
to keep it clean is with a clean install and then
disable Windows update and BITS services.



Yes they do. I upgraded my systems last year using the Windows 10 Media
Creation Tool. I believe that also will indicate to a user if his/her
system will have an issue with Win 10 due to hardware configuration and
the upgrade will not take place.

| Corel no longer supports version 12. Every time my computer boots up,
| there's a pop-up that tells me I should register CorelDraw 12. There
| is no option of "I don't want to register it".
|
| If I do try to register, it won't take because Corel no longer
| supports v12.


Not to go too far afield here, but have you tried Autoruns?

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../bb963902.aspx

The author, Mark Russinovich, has been a highly regarded
Windows expert for many years. He writes unique and
very useful utilities. A few years ago he sold the whole
thing, Sysinternals, to Microsoft and went to work for them.
But most of the tools are still available and up-to-date.
Autoruns is by far the most comprehensive program
available for controlling startup processes. If Corel is
nagging you then you'll find the startup listing in Autoruns
and can disable it. If you've never weeded the startup
list you may be surprised by how much is there.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

Numerous sources have reported on the effective
inability to actually stop Microsoft spying on Windows
10. Can it be completely stopped on Win7? I don't
know. I wouldn't trust that it can be.

you don't trust anyone, so there's no solution that will satisfy you.

meanwhile, for the rest of the world:

sending any or all personal information *can* be disabled, such as
cortana.

anonymous telemetry, also known as analytics, can't (nor should it) be
disabled. it's a good thing. it's *anonymous*. no personal information
is sent. there is no downside to sending it. the data is aggregated so
that microsoft can see what problems are the most common so that they
can prioritize their resources to fix them.

lots of apps have analytics. in fact, most do.