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Old August 26th 08, 07:35 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Ric Trexell
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cksickfûçk wrote in message
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hi all,
i append hereunder my thoughts on the above and posted the same to the

great
nikon company and the reply was as stupid as the japanese can be

does anyone have any thought on this or am i crazy?

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I think it would be cheaper to just sell the 35mm equipment and look into
either a used medium format camera, or a new one like the Mamiya AFD series
of cameras. They have removable backs and can work with digital or film.
That might be the way of the future anyway with cameras that have removable
backs that are made to accept either format. Ric in Wisconsin.


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Old August 26th 08, 08:33 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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Alan Browne wrote:

With "justify" meaning "afford", yes. I know the feeling. ;-)


No, just "justify". There are other things in life.


Of course. Which is part of the entire "afford" thing. ;-)

Anyway: whether you can or cannot justify the expenditure has no bearing on
whether or not the less MP larger sensor pictures are of higher quality than
the higher MP smaller sensor pictures.


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Old August 27th 08, 01:45 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:39:44 -0400, Alan Browne
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Alan Browne wrote:

In groups such as rpe.35mm this was discussed a lot in the early decade
and there was some excitement over a device that looked like a 135 film
cassette with a blade going over the exposure area that contained the
sensor. Elegant idea that never came to fruition.


Ah here it is...

http://www.epi-centre.com/reports/imagek.html



ahhh
thanks Alan et al for the contributions
i was asleep when this group came up with bursts of responses --- thanks amigo
if this ny company takes and is still taking 20 years to do something about the
conversion, then the technicality is "enormous"
i think it is a case of "planned strategy" of the digital brotherhoods
i am still hoping to get my hands on one workable cassete to try out on my
nikons
it would be a great pity if my armory of nikkor lenses go to waste when the
silver halide films are long gone not to mention the developing and printing of
it.
i am keeping my fingers crossed ;-))

thanks again all the good perople of rec.photo.equiment.medium-format for the
quick response.





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Old August 27th 08, 06:10 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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pluto wrote:

ahhh
thanks Alan et al for the contributions
i was asleep when this group came up with bursts of responses --- thanks
amigo
if this ny company takes and is still taking 20 years to do something
about the
conversion, then the technicality is "enormous"


One problem was how to make it selfcontained, not needing leads leading out.

The biggest problem however was that there is very little space inside a 35
mm film camera.
The sensor, of course, needs to be where the film gate is (and needs to be
thin. Very thin.)
The rest of the thingy was then crammed into the well that takes the 35 mm
film cassette. Also not a big place.

The unsormountable problem however was that the distance between the film
gate and the place for the film cassette varies, not just with camera make,
but even beween models of one manufacturer.
So many different 35 mm cameras, so many different electronic film units
needed.

At first it was a fun idea.
But it very quickly progressed from silly, through rather stupid, to
extremely boring.


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Old August 28th 08, 12:42 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:10:50 +0200, "Q.G. de Bakker" in this
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pluto wrote:

ahhh
thanks Alan et al for the contributions
i was asleep when this group came up with bursts of responses --- thanks
amigo
if this ny company takes and is still taking 20 years to do something
about the
conversion, then the technicality is "enormous"


One problem was how to make it selfcontained, not needing leads leading out.

The biggest problem however was that there is very little space inside a 35
mm film camera.
The sensor, of course, needs to be where the film gate is (and needs to be
thin. Very thin.)
The rest of the thingy was then crammed into the well that takes the 35 mm
film cassette. Also not a big place.

The unsormountable problem however was that the distance between the film
gate and the place for the film cassette varies, not just with camera make,
but even beween models of one manufacturer.
So many different 35 mm cameras, so many different electronic film units
needed.

At first it was a fun idea.
But it very quickly progressed from silly, through rather stupid, to
extremely boring.


thanks Q.G. de Bakker for the addendum.
indeed the lead goes to limbo?

simpleton me, is thinking of the backplate pressing down on the film can be jam
packed with electronics to sense the distance, etc to work like digital?

i am looking at my first nokia digital phone which was just a mobile phone.The
latest nokia (some 4 years after the first) has camera, radio, scan, gprs and
SMALLER!!

i think the ny camera company needs to get a lead from nokia to fin(nish) the
project? ;-)

necessity is the mother of all inventions.

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Old August 28th 08, 04:32 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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pluto wrote:

necessity is the mother of all inventions.


If that were so, Nokia (and other) cell phones (to name but one thing) would
not have been invented.
It would also explain that 'Digital Film' is what is is: something that will
never be invented (to name just another thing).
;-)


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Old August 28th 08, 05:24 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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On 2008-08-28, pluto wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:10:50 +0200, "Q.G. de Bakker"

[...]
At first it was a fun idea.
But it very quickly progressed from silly, through rather stupid, to
extremely boring.


i am looking at my first nokia digital phone which was just a mobile phone.The
latest nokia (some 4 years after the first) has camera, radio, scan, gprs and
SMALLER!!

i think the ny camera company needs to get a lead from nokia to fin(nish) the
project? ;-)


Well yes, you could take a phone camera innards and fit them into a
135 canister without too much problem. The necessary 4mm lenses might
be a little harder to come by.

--
savvo orig. invib. man
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Old August 28th 08, 10:32 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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pluto wrote:

necessity is the mother of all inventions.


thanks Q.G. de Bakker for your inputs ;-)

If that were so, Nokia (and other) cell phones (to name but one thing) would
not have been invented.

yes, isnt is a perforced necessity to have a handy phone instead of running to
the public phone booth prior to the 80's ?

It would also explain that 'Digital Film' is what is is: something that will
never be invented (to name just another thing).
;-)

aaaaaaaah LOL why not??
you have given another good key to an invention.
why not invent digital films??
that is the rub



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Old August 28th 08, 10:32 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:24:07 -0400, savvo
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On 2008-08-28, pluto wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:10:50 +0200, "Q.G. de Bakker"

[...]
At first it was a fun idea.
But it very quickly progressed from silly, through rather stupid, to
extremely boring.


i am looking at my first nokia digital phone which was just a mobile phone.The
latest nokia (some 4 years after the first) has camera, radio, scan, gprs and
SMALLER!!

i think the ny camera company needs to get a lead from nokia to fin(nish) the
project? ;-)


Well yes, you could take a phone camera innards and fit them into a
135 canister without too much problem. The necessary 4mm lenses might
be a little harder to come by.


heheheh,
thanks savvo for the side swap bordering to ridicule?? !! ;-)

in my introibo -badly formated though, i profered my delima: plethora of useable
nikkor lenses (from 1.2 to 500 reflex let alone the flashguns and filters) and
the 6 unburstable nikon bodies.

my question was what am i going to do if silver halides are going to the
sunsets?

i have not bought any dig camera yet though i am salivating at the d50 and
higher but the damned thing is the the old film nikkor lenses are mostly not
adaptable to the digital ones. ;-((((


that is why i ask if anyone has come up with the idea of adaptation of the
silver halide cameras-- there must be billions of them before the digital ones
come around .

Many hallowed members here have helped to throw some lights to the adaptation
problems and there appear to be no solution.

i have thrown in the nokia idea and your "ridicule" is taken in jest , ;-)


well, being the case as it it. i should not be surprised if nokia advances
forward with camera models that could and surely threaten the professional ones.
then i suppose i have to pack all the nikons and leicas to the basement and use
the nokia digital phone-camera professionally ?


thanks savvo for the smile on my face this early morning ;-))




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Old August 28th 08, 10:54 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
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pluto wrote:

aaaaaaaah LOL why not??
you have given another good key to an invention.
why not invent digital films??
that is the rub


'Digital Film' was invented.
The rub was having to decide for what camera.


 




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