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On 5/20/2016 5:23 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2016 13:28:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: like 'High Pass Sharpening' is one of those PS tools which is not a solution for all situations, not one which should be a regular part of a rational workflow. Jim Hamel says as much in his tutorial, which you posted above. There is a time and place for everything, sometimes a little planning and discretion is needed in choosing your weapons. There are whole bunch of useful tools available in PS and sometimes it can be counter productive to lock into one particular tool or workflow because it has worked for you sometime in the past. There is no guarantee that it will be the correct choice for any other images, and other choices could give you a better result. I rather like High Pass Sharpening. But, if you can tell it's been used, you've used it too much. What gets me about this discussion is that when we use tools like this we have the ability to see what the results are. I see images here where it's been used excessively but the image has been posted anyway. If it works, use it. If it doesn't work, do something else. It also seems to me that we should be able to accept that not every shot we take can be salvaged. Some just won't work no matter what you do. This is especially true with those shots where the subject was at a distance and an extreme crop has been used. All the extreme crop does is make it more obvious that the shot should be binned. Do you include shots like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/feeding%20junior.jpg or this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/the%20cxonference.jpg Both of which were blown up to 12 x 18 prints, and have done fairly well in competitions. -- PeterN |
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On 5/20/2016 10:22 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2016 21:23:42 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 5/20/2016 5:23 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 20 May 2016 13:28:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: like 'High Pass Sharpening' is one of those PS tools which is not a solution for all situations, not one which should be a regular part of a rational workflow. Jim Hamel says as much in his tutorial, which you posted above. There is a time and place for everything, sometimes a little planning and discretion is needed in choosing your weapons. There are whole bunch of useful tools available in PS and sometimes it can be counter productive to lock into one particular tool or workflow because it has worked for you sometime in the past. There is no guarantee that it will be the correct choice for any other images, and other choices could give you a better result. I rather like High Pass Sharpening. But, if you can tell it's been used, you've used it too much. What gets me about this discussion is that when we use tools like this we have the ability to see what the results are. I see images here where it's been used excessively but the image has been posted anyway. If it works, use it. If it doesn't work, do something else. It also seems to me that we should be able to accept that not every shot we take can be salvaged. Some just won't work no matter what you do. This is especially true with those shots where the subject was at a distance and an extreme crop has been used. All the extreme crop does is make it more obvious that the shot should be binned. Do you include shots like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/feeding%20junior.jpg or this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/the%20cxonference.jpg Both of which were blown up to 12 x 18 prints, and have done fairly well in competitions. I said "some shots". Like the man said, "You gotta know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em". Yep! -- PeterN |
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On 2016-05-21 01:23:42 +0000, PeterN said:
On 5/20/2016 5:23 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 20 May 2016 13:28:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: like 'High Pass Sharpening' is one of those PS tools which is not a solution for all situations, not one which should be a regular part of a rational workflow. Jim Hamel says as much in his tutorial, which you posted above. There is a time and place for everything, sometimes a little planning and discretion is needed in choosing your weapons. There are whole bunch of useful tools available in PS and sometimes it can be counter productive to lock into one particular tool or workflow because it has worked for you sometime in the past. There is no guarantee that it will be the correct choice for any other images, and other choices could give you a better result. I rather like High Pass Sharpening. But, if you can tell it's been used, you've used it too much. What gets me about this discussion is that when we use tools like this we have the ability to see what the results are. I see images here where it's been used excessively but the image has been posted anyway. If it works, use it. If it doesn't work, do something else. It also seems to me that we should be able to accept that not every shot we take can be salvaged. Some just won't work no matter what you do. This is especially true with those shots where the subject was at a distance and an extreme crop has been used. All the extreme crop does is make it more obvious that the shot should be binned. Do you include shots like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/feeding%20junior.jpg That is way too small to be able to make any sort of intelligent comment other than, it is a nice capture. or this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/the%20cxonference.jpg We have seen both before, and this one is over cooked regardless of sharpening method used. In my opinion an image with potential ruined with post processing. Both of which were blown up to 12 x 18 prints, and have done fairly well in competitions. You must have a photo club comprising of individuals in dire need of a visit to an optometrist. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 5/20/2016 11:02 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-05-21 01:23:42 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/20/2016 5:23 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 20 May 2016 13:28:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: like 'High Pass Sharpening' is one of those PS tools which is not a solution for all situations, not one which should be a regular part of a rational workflow. Jim Hamel says as much in his tutorial, which you posted above. There is a time and place for everything, sometimes a little planning and discretion is needed in choosing your weapons. There are whole bunch of useful tools available in PS and sometimes it can be counter productive to lock into one particular tool or workflow because it has worked for you sometime in the past. There is no guarantee that it will be the correct choice for any other images, and other choices could give you a better result. I rather like High Pass Sharpening. But, if you can tell it's been used, you've used it too much. What gets me about this discussion is that when we use tools like this we have the ability to see what the results are. I see images here where it's been used excessively but the image has been posted anyway. If it works, use it. If it doesn't work, do something else. It also seems to me that we should be able to accept that not every shot we take can be salvaged. Some just won't work no matter what you do. This is especially true with those shots where the subject was at a distance and an extreme crop has been used. All the extreme crop does is make it more obvious that the shot should be binned. Do you include shots like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/feeding%20junior.jpg That is way too small to be able to make any sort of intelligent comment other than, it is a nice capture. or this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/the%20cxonference.jpg We have seen both before, and this one is over cooked regardless of sharpening method used. In my opinion an image with potential ruined with post processing. OK Fair comment. I don't agree. If the image was processed for wall hanging instead of viewing on a lightbox, my processing would have been slightly different. But remember I also post at lower quality. Both of which were blown up to 12 x 18 prints, and have done fairly well in competitions. You must have a photo club comprising of individuals in dire need of a visit to an optometrist. We use outside judges. I also compete in other competitions, just for the heck of it. Those two images have done reasonably well. -- PeterN |
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On 2016-05-21 12:22:12 +0000, PeterN said:
On 5/20/2016 11:02 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2016-05-21 01:23:42 +0000, PeterN said: On 5/20/2016 5:23 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 20 May 2016 13:28:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: like 'High Pass Sharpening' is one of those PS tools which is not a solution for all situations, not one which should be a regular part of a rational workflow. Jim Hamel says as much in his tutorial, which you posted above. There is a time and place for everything, sometimes a little planning and discretion is needed in choosing your weapons. There are whole bunch of useful tools available in PS and sometimes it can be counter productive to lock into one particular tool or workflow because it has worked for you sometime in the past. There is no guarantee that it will be the correct choice for any other images, and other choices could give you a better result. I rather like High Pass Sharpening. But, if you can tell it's been used, you've used it too much. What gets me about this discussion is that when we use tools like this we have the ability to see what the results are. I see images here where it's been used excessively but the image has been posted anyway. If it works, use it. If it doesn't work, do something else. It also seems to me that we should be able to accept that not every shot we take can be salvaged. Some just won't work no matter what you do. This is especially true with those shots where the subject was at a distance and an extreme crop has been used. All the extreme crop does is make it more obvious that the shot should be binned. Do you include shots like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/feeding%20junior.jpg That is way too small to be able to make any sort of intelligent comment other than, it is a nice capture. or this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/the%20cxonference.jpg We have seen both before, and this one is over cooked regardless of sharpening method used. In my opinion an image with potential ruined with post processing. OK Fair comment. I don't agree. If the image was processed for wall hanging instead of viewing on a lightbox, my processing would have been slightly different. But remember I also post at lower quality. No kidding! Why do you think degraded images that look like crap would be acceptable to ny of us? Both of which were blown up to 12 x 18 prints, and have done fairly well in competitions. You must have a photo club comprising of individuals in dire need of a visit to an optometrist. We use outside judges. I also compete in other competitions, just for the heck of it. Those two images have done reasonably well. Then your club and/or competition organizers are selecting judges with white canes. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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