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  #11  
Old October 12th 06, 01:48 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Mardon
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"Quercus" wrote:

Wow, man, you're being hard on me... Chrome was not chrome,
natural fractal is not fractal... snif :-(


I didn't mean to be hard on you. In fact, you were in a close race
for 2nd place until I eventually gave that position to N Lindan.
See, here's your third place ribbon: (3)==***

I had the doubt with the chrome one, but I must disagree with
this fractal thing. The leaves are not made up of oblong
patterns; I was looking, in fact, the whole branch :-) If you
pay attention the whole set of leaves has an oblong form (sort
of, at least), similar to the oblong form that has each little
branch on the sides of the main "trunk", and similar itself to
the shape of every single leave... That's where I see the
fractal, may be only in my eyes anyway...


You make a good point. I've re-instated 4 points from the 5 point
deduction. Can't say I'm not a flexible grader!

About the green and blue... I know some people that think like
your mom, but I just don't see why blue and green are supposed
to not going together, they are everywhere in nature and they
feel fine there.


I agree 100%. I like the combination.

I'm glad that you like the shadows and the lack of them, it was
a risky bet for me, as I was not sure if I liked that effect, or
not. So I chose to take the picture and decide later... And I'm
still thinking
:-)


No need for further thought here. I like it.

Thanks for your comments, I'll try to catch a no-doubt-one for
the timing mandate for you ;-)

-Quercus-


Looking forward to it.

P.S: I'm pushing my limits with english in these comments, so I
hope I'm explaining myself in a correct way.


You're not "pushing it" at all. I'd say your writing is better
than 90% of Usenet posters whose mother tongue is English. And in
case there's any doubt, you have way more than enough English
writing skills to submit your own SI review. If nothing else,
doing so would be a good way to 'get even' with me.
  #12  
Old October 12th 06, 05:06 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Nicholas O. Lindan
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"Quercus" wrote

About the green and blue... I know some people that think like your
mom, but I just don't see why blue and green are supposed to not going
together,


OK, imagine a green car with a blue interior [try and buy
one - I read the factory won't take an order for a green &
blue car].

they are everywhere in nature and they feel fine there.


The only thing really blue in nature is the sky. There are
[I imagine] a few deep blue flowers but I only know of
a small blue lily.

If you look at the color sensitivity of the eye we are least
sensitive to the blues, with a big hole in the cyan section
of the spectrum: the green receptors peter out before cyan and
the blue receptors haven't yet started picking up signal.

Interestingly, the color completely lacking in nature is cyan.
We can not discern subtle shades of cyan: all cyans look
like turquoise/swimming pool paint.

Where the red and green receptors overlap is yellow, and
we can see a zillion shades of yellow, green-yellow and
orange - and brown, brown being a desaturated low-value
yellow. Green leaves, yellow flowers, most food on the
hoof is brown and hides in the forest/grass among other
brown/yellow/green grasses, forest floor cover. Evolution
makes the yellows colors of great interest. Wasps are
colored yellow/black because it stands out.

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Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
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n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com


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Old October 12th 06, 06:08 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Frank ess
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"Quercus" wrote

About the green and blue... I know some people that think like your
mom, but I just don't see why blue and green are supposed to not
going together,


OK, imagine a green car with a blue interior [try and buy
one - I read the factory won't take an order for a green &
blue car].

they are everywhere in nature and they feel fine there.


The only thing really blue in nature is the sky. There are
[I imagine] a few deep blue flowers but I only know of
a small blue lily.


A good time to ask my "blue question": does anyone know of a popular,
naturally blue food? Ever since my birthday in 1945, when none of the
kids would eat the blue layer of a special patriotic cake, I've
wondered.


--
Frank ess

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Old October 12th 06, 07:36 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Duncan Chesley
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:41 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

does anyone know of a popular,
naturally blue food?


Blueberries.

Cheers,
DuncanC

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Old October 12th 06, 07:44 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
William Graham
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"Duncan Chesley" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:41 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

does anyone know of a popular,
naturally blue food?


Blueberries.

Cheers,
DuncanC

& plums, grapes, & several other berries, and my wife bought a blue (or was
it purple) cauliflower last Saturday......


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Old October 12th 06, 09:17 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Quercus
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Mardon wrote:
"Quercus" wrote:

Wow, man, you're being hard on me... Chrome was not chrome,
natural fractal is not fractal... snif :-(


I didn't mean to be hard on you. In fact, you were in a close race
for 2nd place until I eventually gave that position to N Lindan.
See, here's your third place ribbon: (3)==***


Ok, thank you, I'll put my ribbon with the other ones :-)


I had the doubt with the chrome one, but I must disagree with
this fractal thing. The leaves are not made up of oblong
patterns; I was looking, in fact, the whole branch :-) If you
pay attention the whole set of leaves has an oblong form (sort
of, at least), similar to the oblong form that has each little
branch on the sides of the main "trunk", and similar itself to
the shape of every single leave... That's where I see the
fractal, may be only in my eyes anyway...


You make a good point. I've re-instated 4 points from the 5 point
deduction. Can't say I'm not a flexible grader!


You are, you are :-))))))))))))))))

Nicholas wrote:

The only thing really blue in nature is the sky.


Well, that's enough for me. But I am probably biased, as I do love
forests, mountains, and blue skies. May be a green and blue car doesn't
look fine, but a tree against a blue sky looks perfect for me, it's
interesting how some people just hold on the idea that blue and green
doesn't play well together and just say a picture "isn't that good"
just because those colors fill it. Really interesing your words about
color perception, I knew about green receptors dominating the others,
but little more.

Anyway, colors are just light reflection and absortion. So, once more
everything in photography is about the light :-)

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Old October 12th 06, 01:00 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Mardon
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"William Graham" wrote:

& plums, grapes, & several other berries, and my wife bought a
blue (or was it purple) cauliflower last Saturday......


Blue potatoes are common here. Many Newfoundlanders prefer them.
They are not a deep blue but still, definately blue.
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Old October 12th 06, 03:08 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Desdinova
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Mardon wrote:

SNIP
James Mondor
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336427
I like the film 'feel' and the grain in the dark areas of the
background but I'd like to see the foreground leaves be sharper.
The white and dark spots on the leaves are also distracting to my
eye. What would this have been like without the orange filter I
wonder? Any special reason for using it? I remember using a dark
red filter a lot for that dramatic looks with B/W film.


If it wasn't on, there wouldn't be as large of a difference in exposure
from light to dark nor would the leaves on the lower right be as
exposed as they had already turned their fall colour.
I had some almost similar images that came sharper:
http://tea.h1x.com:8080/usenet/hudson12%20web.jpg (server's a bit
pokey)
but I didn't like it as much as the one I submitted, which had a sort
of spiral flow which reminded me of fractals I had seen.

Thanks for the comments on mine and everyone's submissions.
Take care,
James

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Old October 12th 06, 03:16 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Desdinova
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I'm no good with articulating praise and/or critique, so I'll just
comment on the ones that struck me.

Bowser:
I think I like your's the best. It reminds me of the old Life computer
simulation.

Mardon:
I love the texture and not-quite symmetry

Alan Browne:
I don't think I've seen a fern that colour or at least stay that colour
for long. It's almost like tarnished gold leaf, if there is such a
thing.

Jim Kramer:
Your's is the only one I can't see what is going on, maybe I'm missing
something.

Take care,
James

  #20  
Old October 12th 06, 05:40 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Mardon
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"Desdinova" wrote:

I had some almost similar images that came sharper:
http://tea.h1x.com:8080/usenet/hudson12%20web.jpg
but I didn't like it as much as the one I submitted,


I like this one much better than your SI submission. Then again,
I've already admitted to this group several times that I'm not a big
fan of 'soft focus'. Oh well, differences in people help make the
world go 'round.

 




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