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Nikon D810 hands-on review: The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date



 
 
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Old June 26th 14, 03:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Nikon D810 hands-on review: The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR
to date

http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...n-dslr-to-date

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Old June 26th 14, 09:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highestimage quality in a Nikon DSLR to date”

In article , David Taylor wrote:

Nikon D810 hands-on review: "The highest image quality in a Nikon
DSLR to date"


http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...n-dslr-to-date


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Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right?
I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the
resolution.


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Old June 26th 14, 09:39 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2014-06-26 20:23:14 +0000, Sandman said:

In article , David Taylor wrote:

Nikon D810 hands-on review: "The highest image quality in a Nikon
DSLR to date"


http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...n-dslr-to-date


Also

notified r.p.d.slr-systems


Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right?
I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the
resolution.


Read the review. Their conclusion is current D800/D800E owners will not
gain anything by upgrading. The D810 is a logical move for those moving
from a D700, or who are tired of waiting for a successor to the D300S.

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Old June 26th 14, 11:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date”

Sandman wrote:
In article , David Taylor wrote:

Nikon D810 hands-on review: "The highest image quality in a Nikon
DSLR to date"


http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...n-dslr-to-date


Also notified r.p.d.slr-systems


Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right?


It *doesn't* have an optical low pass filter.

If that is a good thing (actually it's good marketing,
but not good engineering), this camera should beat the
D800E because it isn't a case of reversing an effect as
the D800E does, but not having the filter at all.

I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the
resolution.


It is clearly an open debate on what "has the
resolution" actually means! The D800 and the D800E have
exactly the same resolution, with a slightly different
distritution of noise. The D800E (and the D810 too) has
a broader noise distribution because aliasing products
are allowed at all spatial frequencies below the Nyquist
limit, while the D800 has reduced SNR very close to the
Nyquist limit but does not have a broad spectrum of
aliasing extending well below Nyquist.

Resolution is the same either way.

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Old June 27th 14, 12:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Nikon D810 hands-on review: "The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date"

On 2014-06-26 23:24:24 +0000, RichA said:

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:44:45 AM UTC-4, David Taylor wrote:
Nikon D810 hands-on review: �The highest image quality in a Nikon

DSLR to date�

http://www.wexphotographic.com/blog/...image-quality-

in-a-nikon-dslr-to-date

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"Please buy this warm-over, Nikon needs the money!"


Please ignore this Canadian hack. He can do without the attention.

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Old June 27th 14, 02:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date”

In article [email protected],
Savageduck wrote:

Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right?
I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the
resolution.


there is no anti-alias filter at all on the d810.

the d800e had a 1d anti-alias filter followed by an unalias-filter to
keep the autofocus compatible with the d800.

since there is just one d810, they no longer have that design
constraint.

Read the review. Their conclusion is current D800/D800E owners will not
gain anything by upgrading. The D810 is a logical move for those moving
from a D700, or who are tired of waiting for a successor to the D300S.


they will get a lot of features by upgrading.

whether any of them are worth it to someone is another story. for some
people it will be and for others it will not.

here's a comparison:
http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/...vKoNmM/PDF/D81
0-D800-D800E_Comparison_Sheet_en.pdf

the differences include:
expeed 4, wider iso range both lower as well as higher, raw s, more
picture controls, highlight weighted metering, face detection toggle,
spot white balance, more white balance presets, group area autofocus,
higher frame rate, unlimited continuous shooting, redesigned shutter
and the *long* overdue electronic first curtain.
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Old June 27th 14, 02:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date”

In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote:


Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right?


It *doesn't* have an optical low pass filter.

If that is a good thing (actually it's good marketing,
but not good engineering), this camera should beat the
D800E because it isn't a case of reversing an effect as
the D800E does, but not having the filter at all.

I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the
resolution.


It is clearly an open debate on what "has the
resolution" actually means! The D800 and the D800E have
exactly the same resolution, with a slightly different
distritution of noise. The D800E (and the D810 too) has
a broader noise distribution because aliasing products
are allowed at all spatial frequencies below the Nyquist
limit, while the D800 has reduced SNR very close to the
Nyquist limit but does not have a broad spectrum of
aliasing extending well below Nyquist.

Resolution is the same either way.


the number of pixels is the same either way, but that is *not* the same
as resolution.

the resolution of the two cameras will be different since one has an
anti-alias filter attenuating high spatial detail and the other does
not. whether that's noticeable or not is questionable.

the differences are generally minor and likely not all that noticeable
without pixel peeping and/or knowing what to look for. typically, other
factors will eliminate any difference, such as focus errors, camera
shake, etc.
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Old June 27th 14, 02:35 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date”

On 2014-06-27 01:07:29 +0000, nospam said:

In article [email protected],
Savageduck wrote:

Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right?
I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the
resolution.


there is no anti-alias filter at all on the d810.

the d800e had a 1d anti-alias filter followed by an unalias-filter to
keep the autofocus compatible with the d800.

since there is just one d810, they no longer have that design
constraint.


Check your attributes. Here you were replying to Sandman, not me. In
your snipping fervor you managed to wipe out the attributes for the OP
& Sandman.

Read the review. Their conclusion is current D800/D800E owners will not
gain anything by upgrading. The D810 is a logical move for those moving
from a D700, or who are tired of waiting for a successor to the D300S.


they will get a lot of features by upgrading.


What is a lot?
In actual fact there are not too many new features which will really
matter to a current D800/D800E owner. They might well push a D4 owner
into a second body, or a D700 owner to make the upgrade move. I don't
really see it as a target for impatient D300S given the price point,
and the fact the sRAW format is 9MP. It would be nicer to see that at
12-16MP.

whether any of them are worth it to someone is another story. for some
people it will be and for others it will not.


Yup!

here's a comparison:
http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/...vKoNmM/PDF/D81
0-D800-D800E_Comparison_Sheet_en.pdf

the differences include:
expeed 4, wider iso range both lower as well as higher, raw s, more
picture controls, highlight weighted metering, face detection toggle,
spot white balance, more white balance presets, group area autofocus,
higher frame rate, unlimited continuous shooting, redesigned shutter
and the *long* overdue electronic first curtain.


....but nothing to push the current D800/D800E owners over the edge.



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Old June 27th 14, 02:57 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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Default Nikon D810 hands-on review: “The highest image quality in a Nikon DSLR to date”

In article [email protected],
Savageduck wrote:

Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter,
right?
I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the
resolution.


there is no anti-alias filter at all on the d810.

the d800e had a 1d anti-alias filter followed by an unalias-filter to
keep the autofocus compatible with the d800.

since there is just one d810, they no longer have that design
constraint.


Check your attributes. Here you were replying to Sandman, not me. In
your snipping fervor you managed to wipe out the attributes for the OP
& Sandman.


i was replying to both what he said and what you said rather than two
separate posts.

the versus is a clue as to who said what.

Read the review. Their conclusion is current D800/D800E owners will not
gain anything by upgrading. The D810 is a logical move for those moving
from a D700, or who are tired of waiting for a successor to the D300S.


they will get a lot of features by upgrading.


What is a lot?


the list below is a lot. five lines of stuff!

In actual fact there are not too many new features which will really
matter to a current D800/D800E owner. They might well push a D4 owner
into a second body, or a D700 owner to make the upgrade move. I don't
really see it as a target for impatient D300S given the price point,
and the fact the sRAW format is 9MP. It would be nicer to see that at
12-16MP.


it might matter and it might not. that's for each person to decide.

whether any of them are worth it to someone is another story. for some
people it will be and for others it will not.


Yup!

here's a comparison:
http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/...vKoNmM/PDF/D81
0-D800-D800E_Comparison_Sheet_en.pdf

the differences include:
expeed 4, wider iso range both lower as well as higher, raw s, more
picture controls, highlight weighted metering, face detection toggle,
spot white balance, more white balance presets, group area autofocus,
higher frame rate, unlimited continuous shooting, redesigned shutter
and the *long* overdue electronic first curtain.


...but nothing to push the current D800/D800E owners over the edge.


you speak for all d800 owners?

the electronic first curtain by itself is enough to push many people
over the edge, since it's something canon has had for a decade or so
and *extremely* useful.
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Old June 27th 14, 04:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Floyd L. Davidson
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nospam wrote:
In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote:


Sounds a bit unlikely, given the fact that it has a low pass filter, right?


It *doesn't* have an optical low pass filter.

If that is a good thing (actually it's good marketing,
but not good engineering), this camera should beat the
D800E because it isn't a case of reversing an effect as
the D800E does, but not having the filter at all.

I mean, even if the processor is a lot better, the D800E still has the
resolution.


It is clearly an open debate on what "has the
resolution" actually means! The D800 and the D800E have
exactly the same resolution, with a slightly different
distritution of noise. The D800E (and the D810 too) has
a broader noise distribution because aliasing products
are allowed at all spatial frequencies below the Nyquist
limit, while the D800 has reduced SNR very close to the
Nyquist limit but does not have a broad spectrum of
aliasing extending well below Nyquist.

Resolution is the same either way.


the number of pixels is the same either way, but that is *not* the same
as resolution.

the resolution of the two cameras will be different since one has an
anti-alias filter attenuating high spatial detail and the other does
not. whether that's noticeable or not is questionable.


The anti-alias filter on a D800 does not attenuate high
spatial detail enough to affect resolution. (Proof of that
is the fact that on occasion moire effects can be seen in
images shot with the D800.)

Both the D800 and the D800E have resolution limited by
the sampling frequency, not by the filtering.

the differences are generally minor and likely not all that noticeable
without pixel peeping and/or knowing what to look for. typically, other
factors will eliminate any difference, such as focus errors, camera
shake, etc.


Even if one knows exactly what to look for, it isn't
something that pixel peeping makes visibly distinct.
All that changes is the type of noise and its
distribution in the frequency spectrum.

That does not change resolution unless it is rather
extreme, which is not the case with these cameras.

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Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
 




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