EOS-1D Mark III outperformed by 35mm disposable camera

Strange, but true.

I made a test pattern composed of red dots and placed some distance away
from
EOS-1D Mark III and adjusted the zoom to match a 35mm disposable camera.
It turns out that my red patter appeared green on the image captured by EOS.
The 35mm film on the other hand captured my pattern in undistorted red
color.

After doing some research on the sensor technology I've found out
that all mosaic type CCD sensors are not able to capture correctly the color
(chrominance) portion of an image
element that is as small as the CCD element.
Which means that since it take 8 CCD element to determine color, source
image need to have uniform color
with areas that are at least 8 pixels large for correct color acquisition.

That incredible technical deficiency makes all the cameras that use mosaic
patterns
a false image producers and logically they should not be used in
applications
where true images are required. In scientific, medical, law enforcement and
may other application
areas this type of false images would substanicialy degrade performance
quality.

The cameras with mosaic type sensors should only be used for entertainment
purposes.

If You want to capture true images with undistorted color than the cheapest
way is to use
35mm disposable camera.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:36:38 +0100, "adminforto"
wrote:

If You want to capture true images with undistorted color than the cheapest
way is to use 35mm disposable camera.

Nothing can capture colour perfectly. Most people don't worry about
it and concentrate on getting the best image possible regardless of
the colour distortion. If you really want to capture something with
perfect colour, throw a net over it and drag it home.

--
Matthew Winn
[If replying by mail remove the "r" from "urk"]

On Feb 23, 7:36 am, "adminforto" wrote:
Strange, but true.

I made a test pattern composed of red dots and placed some distance away
from
EOS-1D Mark III and adjusted the zoom to match a 35mm disposable camera.
It turns out that my red patter appeared green on the image captured by EOS.

When did you conduct this test? (liar)
Can we see the results? (liar)

"adminforto" wrote
Strange, but true.
I made a test pattern composed of red dots and placed some distance away
from EOS-1D Mark III and adjusted the zoom to match a 35mm disposable
camera. It turns out that my red patter appeared green on the image
captured by EOS. The 35mm film on the other hand captured my pattern in
undistorted red color.

I would be interested in seeing the results - could you
post the pictures you took with the EOS and the disposable?.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

On Feb 23, 7:36 am, "adminforto" wrote:
Strange, but true.

I made a test pattern composed of red dots and placed some distance away
from
EOS-1D Mark III and adjusted the zoom to match a 35mm disposable camera.
It turns out that my red patter appeared green on the image captured by EOS.
The 35mm film on the other hand captured my pattern in undistorted red
color.

After doing some research on the sensor technology I've found out
that all mosaic type CCD sensors are not able to capture correctly the color
(chrominance) portion of an image
element that is as small as the CCD element.
Which means that since it take 8 CCD element to determine color, source
image need to have uniform color
with areas that are at least 8 pixels large for correct color acquisition.

That incredible technical deficiency makes all the cameras that use mosaic
patterns
a false image producers and logically they should not be used in
applications
where true images are required. In scientific, medical, law enforcement and
may other application
areas this type of false images would substanicialy degrade performance
quality.

The cameras with mosaic type sensors should only be used for entertainment
purposes.

If You want to capture true images with undistorted color than the cheapest
way is to use
35mm disposable camera.

OMG!! We better notify Canon of these findings!!...........NOT!!
Sorry, I just don't buy it.
Helen

"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote in message
k.net...
"adminforto" wrote
Strange, but true.
I made a test pattern composed of red dots and placed some distance away
from EOS-1D Mark III and adjusted the zoom to match a 35mm disposable
camera. It turns out that my red patter appeared green on the image
captured by EOS. The 35mm film on the other hand captured my pattern in
undistorted red color.

I would be interested in seeing the results - could you
post the pictures you took with the EOS and the disposable?.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com


I can post the Canon but for the disposable one needs
a scanner with 3 CCD and I do not have one.

The disposable was developed on analog type legacy photo processing
equipment.

Also I can post a link to the test patter so anybody can print it and get
the same effect with his own camera.

In article , adminforto
wrote:

"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote in message
k.net...
"adminforto" wrote
Strange, but true.
I made a test pattern composed of red dots and placed some distance away
from EOS-1D Mark III and adjusted the zoom to match a 35mm disposable
camera. It turns out that my red patter appeared green on the image
captured by EOS. The 35mm film on the other hand captured my pattern in
undistorted red color.

I would be interested in seeing the results - could you
post the pictures you took with the EOS and the disposable?.

I can post the Canon but for the disposable one needs
a scanner with 3 CCD and I do not have one.

The disposable was developed on analog type legacy photo processing
equipment.

Also I can post a link to the test patter so anybody can print it and get
the same effect with his own camera.

post whatever you have, full size, exif info intact. and while your at
it, how about a photo *of* the 1d mark iii you claim to have and the
mystery unnamed disposable camera, side by side.

On Feb 23, 10:36 pm, "adminforto" wrote:
Strange, but true.

Strange, yes.


Please post the results. And don't waffle on about how you can't scan
the analog one without a 3CCD scanner - I have a nice, cheap flatbed
that will do a comfortable 1200 dpi scan. All *you* need to do is to
make a good print of at least 7x5 (pref 11x8) and scan it at 600 dpi
or higher.

Which presumably you must have already done, or how can you possibly
be resolving detail down to this size?

Yes, Bayer CCD's can't resolve perfect colours at 'actual pixel'
resolution, but *no-one* said it can (and no camera can - Nyquist
still rules when you get down to the bottom, even for a Foveon or
3CCD). And for the sort of enlargement level that is relevant and
sensible for sensors of these sizes (or 35mm film), the issue is non-
existent.

So, yes, show us the images. You have said you can at least show us
the canon one - so do so.

And here's an extra challenge. Show us a real world image with the
problem.


Frankly, this smells like a Sigma/Foveon fanboy post - I think i just
wasted my time responding to a troll. Oh well.