Xtol being phased out?

ID-11 has been reformulated and is no longer identical to D-76

Ian


"Ralf R. Radermacher" wrote in message
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Ian Grant wrote:

I have used ID-11 which is or rather was
the same formula ).

...or rather was?? Have I missed something?

Ralf

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If Calumet and Silverprint still have Xtol in stock that doesn't amount to
many packs on UK shelves does it.

Particularly compared to 18 months ago when it was still being made amd
packed in the UK for the European market.


"Mark A" wrote in message
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"Ian Grant" wrote in message
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Can only speak for myself, I've been using Xtol now for quite a while,
actually since just after it first became available (in the UK), and
have
never had a problem, it's extremely consistent and has far better
keeping
properties when compared to D76 ( I have used ID-11 which is or rather
was
the same formula ).

Ian

According to Calumet in the UK, they still have it in stock.

"Ian Grant" wrote in message
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If Calumet and Silverprint still have Xtol in stock that doesn't amount to
many packs on UK shelves does it.

Particularly compared to 18 months ago when it was still being made amd
packed in the UK for the European market.

That depends. In the US, very few brick and mortar stores have darkroom
supplies anymore, and if they do, the selection is very limited. I buy
virtually all my darkroom supplies on the internet.

Ian Grant wrote:

ID-11 has been reformulated and is no longer identical to D-76

I see. Any idea when that happened?

Ralf

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Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 05:00:07 +0000 (UTC), "Ian Grant"
wrote:

ID-11 has been reformulated and is no longer identical to D-76

Ian

To state that they are identical, one would need to know the
exact formulas of the shipping versions. This isn't possible unless
you have worked for both E.K. and Ilford and even then one would have
to have been so employed very recently as the formulas may change at
any time. The very reason I mix my own.


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(Ralf R. Radermacher) writes:
Ian Grant wrote:
ID-11 has been reformulated and is no longer identical to D-76
I see. Any idea when that happened?

Anchell & Troop's "Film Developing Cookbook" says (pp41/42)

"Note: Although Kodak D-76 and Ilford ID-11 are ostensibly the same formula
there are a few differences. Ilford sells ID-11 in two separate packages.
The first contain metol, the second sulfite. This eliminates the need for
some of the additives which Kodak includes in their single package and may
allow the Ilford formula to perform closer to the original."

Ilford themselves give conflicting indications. I have a 100 Delta 135 box
(expiry date Jul 2004) that gives different times for ID-11 and D-76 (11mins
for ID-11 1+1 and 12mins for D-76 1+1), yet a 100 Delta 120 box (expiry date
Aug 2003) gives the same time (11mins) for both.

Not sure when ID-11 was reformulated. But the US product differed from the
UK product and the reformulation is due to the use of Phenidone instead of
Metol.

There's plenty written about this elsewhere, and I'm sure others have more
knowledge on this. Here in the UK it is I think still Metol based, but then
I prefer X-tol anyway !

Ian



"Ralf R. Radermacher" wrote in message
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Ian Grant wrote:

ID-11 has been reformulated and is no longer identical to D-76

I see. Any idea when that happened?

Ralf

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Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Feb. 23, 2004
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:23:17 +0000 (UTC), "Ian Grant"
wrote:

Not sure when ID-11 was reformulated. But the US product differed from the
UK product and the reformulation is due to the use of Phenidone instead of
Metol.

No Phenidone here in the US.

http://www.ilford.com/html/us_englis...s/00110071.pdf

INGREDIENT NAME CAS No. WEIGHT
P-METHYLAMINOPHENOL SULFATE 55-55-0 10-30 %
HYDROQUINONE 123-31-9 60-100 %


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