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On 11/8/2018 11:18 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper wrote: Anheuser-Busch did the seemingly impossible. They came up with the world's worst beer - Budweiser - and made it even worse: Bud Light. not that those are any good, but there are definitely worse. Brings to mind things such as: Olde Frothingslosh, the "pale, stale ale with the foam on the bottom. Brewed with just a kiss of the mops. -- == Later... Ron C -- |
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On 09/11/2018 03:03, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. Yes, although pubs have been taking a hit for some years now with many closures - especially in London. There's been a drive towards chain pubs - they do some marvellous things with old buildings (especially banks now they're no longer needed in the same way), but the quality and atmosphere is what you might expect with cheap beer. Where I live (Sheffield, S. Yorkshire) there's still a good selection - maybe 6 decent pubs within 10 minutes walk for me. I generally stick to the one I like - I prefer 'malty' but there's a recent trend towards 'hoppy' - it's very rare that I can't find a beer I like. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. It's entirely acceptable to ask for a taste before you buy. I've never been one to go to bars in the US. Too often they are dark and noisy. Pubs, though are a joy to visit. Generally I'd agree - not had that much experience of US bars though, and my London experience (having lived there 20 years) is not especially good. -- Cheers, Rob |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar usually orders the same brand each time. He will settle on some brand - Bud, Michelob, Coors, Samuel Adams, etc - and stick with it. He may try a craft beer once in a while, or change brands if his brand isn't available, but most beer drinkers are loyal to a brand. I just finished a Peter Robinson "Inspector Banks" novel ("Sleeping in the Ground") and noticed something a bit different. Banks frequently meets with his cohorts in some pub in Yorkshire to discuss a case. All pubs are in the same general area and often it's the same pub as another quote. The following are his choices: "...ordered a pint of Sneck Lifter..." "...bought a pint of Timothy Taylor Landlord's Bitter..." "...sipping his pint of Daleside bitter..." "...went for pints of Black Sheep bitter..." "...ordered a pint of Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter..." "...ordered a couple of pints of lager..." (Yes, the possessives are different in the two quotes from the book for Timothy Taylor) I don't normally get diverted by anomalies like this, but these jumped out at me. No conclusions drawn, but I thought it was interesting. All of those are draught beers (served in pint glasses). It's probable that each pub had a different range of beers available. Inspector Banks would have to choose his beer from the range on tap. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 09/11/2018 02:28, alvey wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. alvey +1 on both points! |
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On 09/11/2018 03:23, alvey wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 22:03:13 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. It's difficult to find a bad one. On one trip I was (mostly) there for 3 months and set a goal of trying 100 different beers. Made it to 97 and only had two that were ****e; Wandsworth 6X and something that I can't recall but do remember returning it orally to where I suspect it originated, the Shipping Canal in Manchester. A complication for the UK beer drinker is that the *proper* draught stuff is unpasturised and un-filtered, so that there is much more chance of infections causing "off" flavours if either the brewery or the pub landlord are not sufficiently careful. This also means that unless a pub has sufficient turnover, you may well get a pint that is past its best even if it hasn't reached the stage of having a detectable vinegar aroma. When I started drinking 50-odd years ago, if three or four lads went into a pub, even their "local", they would each start with a half of something different, to decide which was the best on the day. Visiting a strange pub, the experienced drinker will try to figure out what the locals are drinking before ordering. It's not wise to ask the landlord what he recommends, because that will often be a barrel that is moving slowly. In the old days, a bad pint of Wadworth's 6X was virtually unknown, because it was produced by a relatively small Somerset brewery and not shipped very far. Now it is produced by one of the big brewers, and afficionados do not consider it to be the same thing. I still fondly remember my first pint of 6X, not least because the landlord actually apologised because it was "from the wood", this being in the days when "keg" beer (i.e. pasturised and filtered and shipped in metal barrels) was considered modern. I think there is less "bad beer" around now than there was "back then" because standards have risen. But I'd still consider about one pint in ten to be unsatisfactory. Less beer is being drunk too. In the old days many breweries would deliver to their local pubs in 36 gallon barrels, and these would be drunk in a couple of days. Now, you only sometimes find "18s" and a lot of beer is delivered in "9s". (These used to be known as a barrel, a kilderkin, and a firkin respectively). The English gallon is of course larger than the American one, at 4.6 litres. |
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On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 12:08:04 AM UTC-5, Ron C wrote:
On 11/8/2018 11:18 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Tony Cooper wrote: Anheuser-Busch did the seemingly impossible. They came up with the world's worst beer - Budweiser - and made it even worse: Bud Light. not that those are any good, but there are definitely worse. Brings to mind things such as: Olde Frothingslosh, the "pale, stale ale with the foam on the bottom. Brewed with just a kiss of the mops. Decades ago, the Philadelphia Tee Shirt Museum had a shirt with the logo of a fictional (I hope) beer. The graphic was of a pretty mountain stream with a bear in it ...with a raised leg. It read: "Bear Wiz Beer ... the color is in the water". -hh |
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On Friday, November 9, 2018 at 8:51:30 AM UTC-5, newshound wrote:
On 09/11/2018 03:23, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 22:03:13 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: [...] I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. When I found one I liked, the temptation... It's difficult to find a bad one. In general, what is 'bad' is usually something of a particular style that one doesn't care for...although this can include stuff that's just plain "too plain" (including many American 'Lite' beers). On one trip I was (mostly) there for 3 months and set a goal of trying 100 different beers. Made it to 97 ... Had a business trip where my wife joined me for a long weekend before my meetings; IIRC she got to experience around 25 beers in ~4 days. That's 3 beers/day that she ordered, plus a sip of 3/day of mine. and only had two that were ****e; Wandsworth 6X and something that I can't recall but do remember returning it orally to where I suspect it originated, the Shipping Canal in Manchester. A complication for the UK beer drinker is that the *proper* draught stuff is unpasturised and un-filtered, so that there is much more chance of infections causing "off" flavours if either the brewery or the pub landlord are not sufficiently careful. This also means that unless a pub has sufficient turnover, you may well get a pint that is past its best even if it hasn't reached the stage of having a detectable vinegar aroma. A good point, as there's also this reality of beer getting old/stale and/or "skunky", which makes it not representative of what it tastes like when fresh. When I started drinking 50-odd years ago, if three or four lads went into a pub, even their "local", they would each start with a half of something different, to decide which was the best on the day. Visiting a strange pub, the experienced drinker will try to figure out what the locals are drinking before ordering. It's not wise to ask the landlord what he recommends, because that will often be a barrel that is moving slowly. In the old days, a bad pint of Wadworth's 6X was virtually unknown, because it was produced by a relatively small Somerset brewery and not shipped very far. I was fortunate enough to have encountered it this way, back in the 1990s (and really enjoyed it) when it was reportedly still delivered only by mule drawn wagon...I believe that I was in the city of Bath. Now it is produced by one of the big brewers, and afficionados do not consider it to be the same thing. I still fondly remember my first pint of 6X, not least because the landlord actually apologised because it was "from the wood", this being in the days when "keg" beer (i.e. pasturised and filtered and shipped in metal barrels) was considered modern. I think there is less "bad beer" around now than there was "back then" because standards have risen. But I'd still consider about one pint in ten to be unsatisfactory. Less beer is being drunk too. In the old days many breweries would deliver to their local pubs in 36 gallon barrels, and these would be drunk in a couple of days. Now, you only sometimes find "18s" and a lot of beer is delivered in "9s". (These used to be known as a barrel, a kilderkin, and a firkin respectively). The English gallon is of course larger than the American one, at 4.6 litres. In the USA, a similar example of this can often be found with the kegs of Guinness Stout, where probably 99% of it is consumed around St Patrick's Day in March. Unless a place has a regular Guinness clientele, a keg that's still not been finished in May is going to be quite noticeably a different note. -hh |
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 13:51:25 +0000, newshound wrote:
On 09/11/2018 03:23, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 22:03:13 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:28:23 +1000, alvey wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:54:54 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:51:01 -0500, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar You can ignore this thread. Why? It's more interesting than a lot of the usual drivel. Anyway, to posit an answer... There's far more choices of beer in the UK than there are in the USA and it's not uncommon for drinkers to have different beers in different pubs. Or even in the same pub. The UK pub scene is grand. There's usually a vast choice within walking distance of home and the tone is much more relaxed and happily sociable than any other country I've drunk in. I've been to the UK several times, but always had a problem knowing what beer to order. When I found one I liked, the temptation was to order that same one again, but the other temptation to try something else looking for one even better. It's difficult to find a bad one. On one trip I was (mostly) there for 3 months and set a goal of trying 100 different beers. Made it to 97 and only had two that were ****e; Wandsworth 6X and something that I can't recall but do remember returning it orally to where I suspect it originated, the Shipping Canal in Manchester. A complication for the UK beer drinker is that the *proper* draught stuff is unpasturised and un-filtered, so that there is much more chance of infections causing "off" flavours if either the brewery or the pub landlord are not sufficiently careful. This also means that unless a pub has sufficient turnover, you may well get a pint that is past its best even if it hasn't reached the stage of having a detectable vinegar aroma. When I started drinking 50-odd years ago, if three or four lads went into a pub, even their "local", they would each start with a half of something different, to decide which was the best on the day. Visiting a strange pub, the experienced drinker will try to figure out what the locals are drinking before ordering. It's not wise to ask the landlord what he recommends, because that will often be a barrel that is moving slowly. In the old days, a bad pint of Wadworth's 6X was virtually unknown, because it was produced by a relatively small Somerset brewery and not shipped very far. Now it is produced by one of the big brewers, and afficionados do not consider it to be the same thing. I still fondly remember my first pint of 6X, not least because the landlord actually apologised because it was "from the wood", this being in the days when "keg" beer (i.e. pasturised and filtered and shipped in metal barrels) was considered modern. I think there is less "bad beer" around now than there was "back then" because standards have risen. But I'd still consider about one pint in ten to be unsatisfactory. Less beer is being drunk too. In the old days many breweries would deliver to their local pubs in 36 gallon barrels, and these would be drunk in a couple of days. Now, you only sometimes find "18s" and a lot of beer is delivered in "9s". (These used to be known as a barrel, a kilderkin, and a firkin respectively). The English gallon is of course larger than the American one, at 4.6 litres. Thanks newshound. Most informative and interesting. alvey alvey |
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On 2018-11-08 19:51, Tony Cooper wrote:
In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar usually orders the same brand each time. He will settle on some brand - Bud, Michelob, Coors, Samuel Adams, etc - and stick with it. He may try a craft beer once in a while, or change brands if his brand isn't available, but most beer drinkers are loyal to a brand. I just finished a Peter Robinson "Inspector Banks" novel ("Sleeping in the Ground") and noticed something a bit different. Banks frequently meets with his cohorts in some pub in Yorkshire to discuss a case. All pubs are in the same general area and often it's the same pub as another quote. The following are his choices: "...ordered a pint of Sneck Lifter..." "...bought a pint of Timothy Taylor Landlord's Bitter..." "...sipping his pint of Daleside bitter..." "...went for pints of Black Sheep bitter..." "...ordered a pint of Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter..." "...ordered a couple of pints of lager..." (Yes, the possessives are different in the two quotes from the book for Timothy Taylor) I don't normally get diverted by anomalies like this, but these jumped out at me. No conclusions drawn, but I thought it was interesting. Other than Sam Adams, what you mentioned in your first para. isn't even beer. I vary more on the road, but at home tend to stick to local smaller scale breweries and some micros. -- "2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do." - unknown protester |
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:43:07 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote: On 2018-11-08 19:51, Tony Cooper wrote: In the US, a person who orders a beer in a bar usually orders the same brand each time. He will settle on some brand - Bud, Michelob, Coors, Samuel Adams, etc - and stick with it. He may try a craft beer once in a while, or change brands if his brand isn't available, but most beer drinkers are loyal to a brand. I just finished a Peter Robinson "Inspector Banks" novel ("Sleeping in the Ground") and noticed something a bit different. Banks frequently meets with his cohorts in some pub in Yorkshire to discuss a case. All pubs are in the same general area and often it's the same pub as another quote. The following are his choices: "...ordered a pint of Sneck Lifter..." "...bought a pint of Timothy Taylor Landlord's Bitter..." "...sipping his pint of Daleside bitter..." "...went for pints of Black Sheep bitter..." "...ordered a pint of Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter..." "...ordered a couple of pints of lager..." (Yes, the possessives are different in the two quotes from the book for Timothy Taylor) I don't normally get diverted by anomalies like this, but these jumped out at me. No conclusions drawn, but I thought it was interesting. Other than Sam Adams, what you mentioned in your first para. isn't even beer. Personal taste has nothing to do with what I wrote. The statement represents what most Americans do. While I never order any of those brands, they are among the best-selling brands in the US. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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