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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:59:34 -0400, nospam
In article , Eric Stevens

In those days it could equally well have been a GIF.

Sure, if it had just 256 colours (or bad posterization).
Was it black and white only?

Newspaper. In those days, black and white, of course.

of course, not.

newspapers could print colour photos since *well* before 1999. a prime
example is usa today, which is all colour and began publishing in 1982.

Please explain from where you gained your knowledge of the printing
capabilities and practices of the Wellington newspapers pre 1999.

http://garciamedia.com/blog/articles..._richard_curt/
| We begin in 1982 by using a LOT of color, some of that not
| as smartly as we use it today. In those early days, we used
| it because (a) we could; and (b) it made us different from
| every other newspaper (a key marketing strategy that should
| not be forgotten). A lot of things played into our strategy;
| color was just one of them.

| Most folks won’t remember but we didn’t have full color
| on every section front when we began. On the Money and Life
| fronts, we only had spot-color blue (100% cyan). It was only
| a year or so later (I don’t remember exactly), that those
| sections got full color.
| [...]
| We started with a 48-page maximum with 16 pages in color.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2498358
| Coklor press rotograveur on newsprint started in 1978. Long before
| that on glossy, coated paper that news inserts/magazines were
| printed on. Register problems on light weight paper prevented good
| four-color registration until roll presses improved. Sheet-fed
| presses printed credible color images before 1968 - but it was
| expensive until soy inks came along. ANything else you want
| to know?

http://www.nyu.edu/classes/stephens/Collier's%20page.htm
| The second period when sensationalism seemed to increase in
| American newspapers began with the "new journalism" of Joseph
| Pulitzer. Pulitzer, who created the St. Louis Post-Dispatch
| in 1878 and then took over the New York World in 1883, was an
| unusually aggressive, demanding and intelligent editor, who
| fought important crusades on behalf of workers, immigrants and
| the poor. He was a major innovator, particularly in his Sunday
| paper to which he added expanded women's and sports pages and
| the first color comics in a newspaper.
| ^^^^^

http://books.google.de/books?id=JOIt... d%22&f=false
aka
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bnhad25
proves first colour newspaper prints were in 1893. (Comic "The
Yellow Kid", in "New York World", coining the "Yellow press")


It would be an easy guess that nospam has access to such and
similar resources. Newspapers didn't have to be black and white,
certainly not in 1999. Many were not. Others had colour photos
regularly. Until you have clear proof that NONE of the Wellington
newspapers and NONE of the papers using that photo could have
printed anything in colour, or you have clear proof that none of
the newspapers printed the photo in colour (this may require you
to look in all the archives) ... it may well have been in colour.

"Newspaper. In those days, black and white, of course." has been
truly discredited.

-Wolfgang

On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:35:23 +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:59:34 -0400, nospam
In article , Eric Stevens

In those days it could equally well have been a GIF.

Sure, if it had just 256 colours (or bad posterization).
Was it black and white only?

Newspaper. In those days, black and white, of course.

of course, not.

newspapers could print colour photos since *well* before 1999. a prime
example is usa today, which is all colour and began publishing in 1982.

Please explain from where you gained your knowledge of the printing
capabilities and practices of the Wellington newspapers pre 1999.

http://garciamedia.com/blog/articles..._richard_curt/
| We begin in 1982 by using a LOT of color, some of that not
| as smartly as we use it today. In those early days, we used
| it because (a) we could; and (b) it made us different from
| every other newspaper (a key marketing strategy that should
| not be forgotten). A lot of things played into our strategy;
| color was just one of them.

| Most folks won’t remember but we didn’t have full color
| on every section front when we began. On the Money and Life
| fronts, we only had spot-color blue (100% cyan). It was only
| a year or so later (I don’t remember exactly), that those
| sections got full color.
| [...]
| We started with a 48-page maximum with 16 pages in color.

That's not a Wellington newspaper.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2498358
| Coklor press rotograveur on newsprint started in 1978. Long before
| that on glossy, coated paper that news inserts/magazines were
| printed on. Register problems on light weight paper prevented good
| four-color registration until roll presses improved. Sheet-fed
| presses printed credible color images before 1968 - but it was
| expensive until soy inks came along. ANything else you want
| to know?

That's not a Wellington newspaper.

http://www.nyu.edu/classes/stephens/Collier's%20page.htm
| The second period when sensationalism seemed to increase in
| American newspapers began with the "new journalism" of Joseph
| Pulitzer. Pulitzer, who created the St. Louis Post-Dispatch
| in 1878 and then took over the New York World in 1883, was an
| unusually aggressive, demanding and intelligent editor, who
| fought important crusades on behalf of workers, immigrants and
| the poor. He was a major innovator, particularly in his Sunday
| paper to which he added expanded women's and sports pages and
| the first color comics in a newspaper.
| ^^^^^

http://books.google.de/books?id=JOIt... d%22&f=false
aka
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bnhad25
proves first colour newspaper prints were in 1893. (Comic "The
Yellow Kid", in "New York World", coining the "Yellow press")


It would be an easy guess that nospam has access to such and
similar resources. Newspapers didn't have to be black and white,
certainly not in 1999. Many were not. Others had colour photos
regularly. Until you have clear proof that NONE of the Wellington
newspapers and NONE of the papers using that photo could have
printed anything in colour, or you have clear proof that none of
the newspapers printed the photo in colour (this may require you
to look in all the archives) ... it may well have been in colour.

"Newspaper. In those days, black and white, of course." has been
truly discredited.

THat's not a Wellington newspaper either.


I don't know quite when the Wellington newspapers started printing
colour but I think it was shortly after the time with which we are
concerned.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:35:23 +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:59:34 -0400, nospam
In article , Eric Stevens

In those days it could equally well have been a GIF.

Sure, if it had just 256 colours (or bad posterization).
Was it black and white only?

Newspaper. In those days, black and white, of course.

of course, not.

newspapers could print colour photos since *well* before 1999. a prime
example is usa today, which is all colour and began publishing in 1982.

Please explain from where you gained your knowledge of the printing
capabilities and practices of the Wellington newspapers pre 1999.

[proof]
That's not a Wellington newspaper.

[proof]
That's not a Wellington newspaper.

[proof]
"Newspaper. In those days, black and white, of course." has been
truly discredited.

THat's not a Wellington newspaper either.

I See. Wellington newspapers are 150 to 200 years behind current
technology, because it takes at least 100 years to reach that
colony far amongst the stars. Sending the plans and How Tos'
via wireless doesn't work either --- for some reason they aren't
able to produce colour in newspapers.

This being the case, the image may well have been sent
uncompressed. Which would be about as large as a GIF compressed
B/W image. (I wonder, how did they even get digital cameras
and found out aboout GIF?)


I don't know quite when the Wellington newspapers started printing
colour but I think it was shortly after the time with which we are
concerned.

I think that "I think" is a great argument, much better than proof.
Going into the archives of your newspapers and looking certainly
is much worse than "I think" --- and it proves far less.

-Wolfgang

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:34:14 +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg
wrote:

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 22:35:23 +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg
Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:59:34 -0400, nospam
In article , Eric Stevens

In those days it could equally well have been a GIF.

Sure, if it had just 256 colours (or bad posterization).
Was it black and white only?

Newspaper. In those days, black and white, of course.

of course, not.

newspapers could print colour photos since *well* before 1999. a prime
example is usa today, which is all colour and began publishing in 1982.

Please explain from where you gained your knowledge of the printing
capabilities and practices of the Wellington newspapers pre 1999.

[proof]
That's not a Wellington newspaper.

[proof]
That's not a Wellington newspaper.

[proof]
"Newspaper. In those days, black and white, of course." has been
truly discredited.

THat's not a Wellington newspaper either.

I See. Wellington newspapers are 150 to 200 years behind current
technology, because it takes at least 100 years to reach that
colony far amongst the stars. Sending the plans and How Tos'
via wireless doesn't work either --- for some reason they aren't
able to produce colour in newspapers.

I'm not sure that you know that much about printing technology but New
ZEaland newspapers have been through a period of collapse and
amalgamation. They have had no spare cash to install new presses, let
alone to build the press halls required to house them. Full colour
printing capabilty came about only in the late 1990s.

This being the case, the image may well have been sent
uncompressed. Which would be about as large as a GIF compressed
B/W image. (I wonder, how did they even get digital cameras
and found out aboout GIF?)


I don't know quite when the Wellington newspapers started printing
colour but I think it was shortly after the time with which we are
concerned.

I think that "I think" is a great argument, much better than proof.
Going into the archives of your newspapers and looking certainly
is much worse than "I think" --- and it proves far less.

This was about the time that the 'Dominion' amalgamated with the
'Evening Post' to form the 'Dominion Post'. Considering that I'm
relying on a hazy memory you should not be surprised that I don't know
exactly which paper it was. The only thing of which I'm reasonably
confident is that it was just before they gained the ability to print
in colour. But that's just my memory.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens