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Old March 20th 07, 09:32 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
William Graham
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"Joseph Kewfi" wrote in message
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But the vast majority of homosexuals don't ask that. They just want you
to leave them alone. It is wrong for you to persecute them because of
what some other members of their community are doing.


I'm not persecuting anyone, you're either not understanding my position or
twisting it cause you don't like it, which is it?

Well, not everyone is an equal citizen in the eyes of the law. A child
does not have all the constitutional rights of other, adult citizens. The
question is, when does it have the right to life. Our supreme court
decided this in Roe vs. Wade. They said after the first trimester.


Arguing that a pregnancy is 'just a bunch of cells' is cynical and
cheapening of human life.


But that isn't the question, or problem. The problem is that the rights of
one individual are infringing on the rights of another, so the law has to
decide when the rights of one have to give in to those of the other. When,
exactly, does the right to life of the fetus have to be given up in order to
accommodate the rights of its mother? This is a very real conflict, and the
Supreme Court had to decide it. Millions of creatures die every day. A fetus
is just part of those millions. So, it is not such a surprising decision
that the court made when it drew the line at the first trimester of
pregnancy. They had to draw it somewhere.
The religious believe that the unborn fetus has a "soul" and that this
makes it somehow special, and so they disagree with the court's decision.
But there are a lot of people like me who are atheists who say, "soul,
schmoal, an unborn fetus is no different from any of the millions of furry
little creatures that starve and freeze to death every Winter, so what's so
special about it." To say that we human beings are somehow special is the
height of egotism......If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it, it
has to go just like all the rest......Don't forget that the death rows in
our prisons are full of former fetuses whose mothers didn't want them.
Killing them now is just like neutering your male cats....Stops the problem
before it gets too expensive......


  #302  
Old March 20th 07, 09:35 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
William Graham
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Default SO GOOD, IT'S CRIMINAL !


"Joseph Kewfi" wrote in message

One might also read George Orwell's two opus, 1984 and Animal Farm for
insight into the nature of the current administration.


Funny....When I read those two works, I thought they referred to the end
point of communism......So, it all depends on your perspective, doesn't it?


  #303  
Old March 21st 07, 03:13 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Joseph Kewfi
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Default SO GOOD, IT'S CRIMINAL !

To say that we human beings are somehow special is the height of
egotism......If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it, it has to go
just like all the rest......Don't forget that the death rows in our prisons
are full of former fetuses whose mothers didn't want them. Killing them now
is just like neutering your male cats....Stops the problem before it gets
too expensive......


Is there anything that you won't attach a dollar value to? is that your only
value?

"William Graham" wrote in message
. ..

"Joseph Kewfi" wrote in message
...
But the vast majority of homosexuals don't ask that. They just want you
to leave them alone. It is wrong for you to persecute them because of
what some other members of their community are doing.


I'm not persecuting anyone, you're either not understanding my position
or twisting it cause you don't like it, which is it?

Well, not everyone is an equal citizen in the eyes of the law. A child
does not have all the constitutional rights of other, adult citizens. The
question is, when does it have the right to life. Our supreme court
decided this in Roe vs. Wade. They said after the first trimester.


Arguing that a pregnancy is 'just a bunch of cells' is cynical and
cheapening of human life.


But that isn't the question, or problem. The problem is that the rights of
one individual are infringing on the rights of another, so the law has to
decide when the rights of one have to give in to those of the other. When,
exactly, does the right to life of the fetus have to be given up in order
to accommodate the rights of its mother? This is a very real conflict, and
the Supreme Court had to decide it. Millions of creatures die every day. A
fetus is just part of those millions. So, it is not such a surprising
decision that the court made when it drew the line at the first trimester
of pregnancy. They had to draw it somewhere.
The religious believe that the unborn fetus has a "soul" and that this
makes it somehow special, and so they disagree with the court's decision.
But there are a lot of people like me who are atheists who say, "soul,
schmoal, an unborn fetus is no different from any of the millions of furry
little creatures that starve and freeze to death every Winter, so what's
so special about it." To say that we human beings are somehow special is
the height of egotism......If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it,
it has to go just like all the rest......Don't forget that the death rows
in our prisons are full of former fetuses whose mothers didn't want them.
Killing them now is just like neutering your male cats....Stops the
problem before it gets too expensive......


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  #304  
Old March 21st 07, 03:30 AM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
William Graham
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Default SO GOOD, IT'S CRIMINAL !


"Joseph Kewfi" wrote in message
...
To say that we human beings are somehow special is the height of
egotism......If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it, it has to go
just like all the rest......Don't forget that the death rows in our
prisons are full of former fetuses whose mothers didn't want them.
Killing them now is just like neutering your male cats....Stops the
problem before it gets too expensive......


Is there anything that you won't attach a dollar value to? is that your
only value?


Not my "only way", but surely the "best way"....

As Anne Rand said, "There is no better way to evaluate anything."


  #305  
Old March 21st 07, 02:24 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Joseph Kewfi
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Default SO GOOD, IT'S CRIMINAL !

Not my "only way", but surely the "best way"....

As Anne Rand said, "There is no better way to evaluate anything."


You'd make a great Jew, have you ever considered it?

"William Graham" wrote in message
. ..

"Joseph Kewfi" wrote in message
...
To say that we human beings are somehow special is the height of
egotism......If the mother doesn't want to give birth to it, it has to
go just like all the rest......Don't forget that the death rows in our
prisons are full of former fetuses whose mothers didn't want them.
Killing them now is just like neutering your male cats....Stops the
problem before it gets too expensive......


Is there anything that you won't attach a dollar value to? is that your
only value?


Not my "only way", but surely the "best way"....

As Anne Rand said, "There is no better way to evaluate anything."


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  #306  
Old March 21st 07, 11:47 PM posted to rec.photo.equipment.35mm
William Graham
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"Joseph Kewfi" wrote in message

You'd make a great Jew, have you ever considered it?


Thank you........

No, I am an atheist, and I can't change that. It is not a matter of my
choice.


 




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