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On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:42:07 -0400, Davoud wrote:
newshound: It's notable how many "sports" pros who need mobility and long (heavy) lenses simply go for a monopod. I've never used one myself, but think about getting one from time to time. No reason it should not work fine on a compact (especially a superzoom) as long as it is not too heavy, and is quick and easy to "telescope". Q. How good is a monopod? A. One third as good as a tripod. A monopod is useful for holding the weight of a camera, but it does nothing to steady a camera. So it's good for providing relief to sports photographers and others who use heavy lenses, so long as they have steady hands. When doing sports photography where the photographer moves around, it's much quicker to set up to shoot using a monopod than if using a tripod. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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On 7/23/2018 5:41 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jul 23, 2018, newshound wrote (in ) : On 22/07/2018 14:57, Johnny wrote: I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? It's notable how many "sports" pros who need mobility and long (heavy) lenses simply go for a monopod. I've never used one myself, but think about getting one from time to time. No reason it should not work fine on a compact (especially a superzoom) as long as it is not too heavy, and is quick and easy to "telescope". A monopod works great for sports photography where support is needed for heavy long lenses, and the lens/camera is mainly used for lateral/horizontal panning. It is not as useful when it comes to vertical panning, and can be quite awkward especially if the target is at a higher, or lower elevation from the horizontal line of sight. With typical lateral/horizontal panning the pivot point is the grounded foot of the monopod, and panning to track the action on a sports field, track, or arena becomes natural and simple. Add to that, panning motion imparts quite a lot of inertial stabilization, and is a reason to consider not having OIS/VR turned on with lenses which do not compensate for lateral panning (some do). Most importantly, since the subject is in motion, IBIS, and most basic OIS/VR is not going to help, fast glass, and higher ISO will. IBIS and/or OIS/VR is only going to be helpful for handheld shooting, and even there shooting technique is still important. A monopod is a compromise which provides the sports photographer some stability for heavy lenses along with a degree of mobility. However, the monopod is not going to provide the same degree of stabilization as a good tripod, especially if used with a gimbal head (a much better choice for airshows, or birds in flight). I have seen some photographers using a monopod with a gimbal head at airshows especially if they are using heavy lenses. All true, but if you are shooting at a high ISO and shutter speed, a monopod is easier to use than a tripod. -- PeterN |
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On Jul 23, 2018, PeterN wrote
(in article ): On 7/23/2018 5:41 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jul 23, 2018, newshound wrote (in ) : On 22/07/2018 14:57, Johnny wrote: I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? It's notable how many "sports" pros who need mobility and long (heavy) lenses simply go for a monopod. I've never used one myself, but think about getting one from time to time. No reason it should not work fine on a compact (especially a superzoom) as long as it is not too heavy, and is quick and easy to "telescope". A monopod works great for sports photography where support is needed for heavy long lenses, and the lens/camera is mainly used for lateral/horizontal panning. It is not as useful when it comes to vertical panning, and can be quite awkward especially if the target is at a higher, or lower elevation from the horizontal line of sight. With typical lateral/horizontal panning the pivot point is the grounded foot of the monopod, and panning to track the action on a sports field, track, or arena becomes natural and simple. Add to that, panning motion imparts quite a lot of inertial stabilization, and is a reason to consider not having OIS/VR turned on with lenses which do not compensate for lateral panning (some do). Most importantly, since the subject is in motion, IBIS, and most basic OIS/VR is not going to help, fast glass, and higher ISO will. IBIS and/or OIS/VR is only going to be helpful for handheld shooting, and even there shooting technique is still important. A monopod is a compromise which provides the sports photographer some stability for heavy lenses along with a degree of mobility. However, the monopod is not going to provide the same degree of stabilization as a good tripod, especially if used with a gimbal head (a much better choice for airshows, or birds in flight). I have seen some photographers using a monopod with a gimbal head at airshows especially if they are using heavy lenses. All true, but if you are shooting at a high ISO and shutter speed, a monopod is easier to use than a tripod. There is a time, and place for the use of either, and if you are shooting with a 400mm, or 600mm lens all day, and need some mobility to various shooting positions at an event, a tripod can be awkward. A monopod will support that weight, but without providing the stability of a tripod. ISO and shutter speed is actually irrelevant when it comes to choice of support tool. The problem with a monopod, or a tripod for that matter, is with birds, and aircraft in flight, particularly when the vertical shooting angle starts to exceed 30º to directly overhead. Then the monopod just becomes an awkward encumbrance. Try to aim at a plane or a bird which takes a turn directly overhead while you are tracking it with a camera/lens combo supported by a monopod. Some folks will add a ball-head to the monopod, but that is not always the best solution. When it comes to gimbal heads, the problem is price, where some can cost more than the tripod they are mounted on. I will usually tailor my use of tripod, or monopod to the circumstances of my shoot, but for the most part, even with my new 100-400mm I will shoot handheld. Long exposure stuff demands a tripod. Where one is panning, or tracking the subject, handheld with good technique is my usual method. Then there is walk-around, or street where inconspicuous is the way to go. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 24/07/2018 02:02, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:54:57 +0100, newshound wrote: On 22/07/2018 14:57, Johnny wrote: I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? It's notable how many "sports" pros who need mobility and long (heavy) lenses simply go for a monopod. I've never used one myself, but think about getting one from time to time. No reason it should not work fine on a compact (especially a superzoom) as long as it is not too heavy, and is quick and easy to "telescope". I have used a monopod a number of times but I find it most useful for getting the camera into positions which I could not conveniently manage without it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xi1bjcoa1v...4265a.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/2hcv4dos88...7_DxO.jpg?dl=0 If you have a remote release, you can also use the monopod to shoot clear views over a crowd, etc. Not with a very long lens of course. |
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On 23-07-2018, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Sunday, 22 July 2018 14:57:20 UTC+1, Johnny wrote: I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? Why not try it. Maybe photographing the moon or mars (as you'll be able to have relatively long exposures) try it with both methods see what's best for you as an individual and you'll be able to see just how much you do shake with string and without. The two methods both give better results than holding the compact in front of me but I can't standarize the amount of shake in my tests, so I can't tell which works better. The foot-stringpod is on a longer stringer which may permit more wobble but you can tense a foot-stringpod more than a neck one. I'm not sure which method to rely on for the best result. -- |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:33:23 +0100, newshound
wrote: On 24/07/2018 02:02, Eric Stevens wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:54:57 +0100, newshound wrote: On 22/07/2018 14:57, Johnny wrote: I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? It's notable how many "sports" pros who need mobility and long (heavy) lenses simply go for a monopod. I've never used one myself, but think about getting one from time to time. No reason it should not work fine on a compact (especially a superzoom) as long as it is not too heavy, and is quick and easy to "telescope". I have used a monopod a number of times but I find it most useful for getting the camera into positions which I could not conveniently manage without it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xi1bjcoa1v...4265a.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/2hcv4dos88...7_DxO.jpg?dl=0 If you have a remote release, you can also use the monopod to shoot clear views over a crowd, etc. Not with a very long lens of course. The first link above was a bit like that except that I had my camera resting upside down on my shoe. The second link was with the camera well above my head to get a better viewpoint of the very large canoe (waka). I was shooting blind and it took me several shots to get the one I wanted. But I couldn't have done it without the monopod. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 7/23/2018 9:56 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jul 23, 2018, PeterN wrote (in article ): On 7/23/2018 5:41 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jul 23, 2018, newshound wrote (in ) : On 22/07/2018 14:57, Johnny wrote: I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? It's notable how many "sports" pros who need mobility and long (heavy) lenses simply go for a monopod. I've never used one myself, but think about getting one from time to time. No reason it should not work fine on a compact (especially a superzoom) as long as it is not too heavy, and is quick and easy to "telescope". A monopod works great for sports photography where support is needed for heavy long lenses, and the lens/camera is mainly used for lateral/horizontal panning. It is not as useful when it comes to vertical panning, and can be quite awkward especially if the target is at a higher, or lower elevation from the horizontal line of sight. With typical lateral/horizontal panning the pivot point is the grounded foot of the monopod, and panning to track the action on a sports field, track, or arena becomes natural and simple. Add to that, panning motion imparts quite a lot of inertial stabilization, and is a reason to consider not having OIS/VR turned on with lenses which do not compensate for lateral panning (some do). Most importantly, since the subject is in motion, IBIS, and most basic OIS/VR is not going to help, fast glass, and higher ISO will. IBIS and/or OIS/VR is only going to be helpful for handheld shooting, and even there shooting technique is still important. A monopod is a compromise which provides the sports photographer some stability for heavy lenses along with a degree of mobility. However, the monopod is not going to provide the same degree of stabilization as a good tripod, especially if used with a gimbal head (a much better choice for airshows, or birds in flight). I have seen some photographers using a monopod with a gimbal head at airshows especially if they are using heavy lenses. All true, but if you are shooting at a high ISO and shutter speed, a monopod is easier to use than a tripod. There is a time, and place for the use of either, and if you are shooting with a 400mm, or 600mm lens all day, and need some mobility to various shooting positions at an event, a tripod can be awkward. A monopod will support that weight, but without providing the stability of a tripod. ISO and shutter speed is actually irrelevant when it comes to choice of support tool. The problem with a monopod, or a tripod for that matter, is with birds, and aircraft in flight, particularly when the vertical shooting angle starts to exceed 30º to directly overhead. Then the monopod just becomes an awkward encumbrance. Try to aim at a plane or a bird which takes a turn directly overhead while you are tracking it with a camera/lens combo supported by a monopod. Some folks will add a ball-head to the monopod, but that is not always the best solution. When it comes to gimbal heads, the problem is price, where some can cost more than the tripod they are mounted on. I will usually tailor my use of tripod, or monopod to the circumstances of my shoot, but for the most part, even with my new 100-400mm I will shoot handheld. Long exposure stuff demands a tripod. Where one is panning, or tracking the subject, handheld with good technique is my usual method. Then there is walk-around, or street where inconspicuous is the way to go. I always use a pan head on my monopod. I use the mostly monopod for zoo work. For landscape I use my tripod. For wildlife, it depends. If I am waiting for a bird to fly into a particular spot, I prefocus, put the camera on a tripod, sit down on my chair, and wait. Of course I use a remote release. It depends on the situation. I also use my monopod as a balancing cane. -- PeterN |
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On 25/07/2018 05:15, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:33:23 +0100, newshound wrote: On 24/07/2018 02:02, Eric Stevens wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:54:57 +0100, newshound wrote: On 22/07/2018 14:57, Johnny wrote: I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? It's notable how many "sports" pros who need mobility and long (heavy) lenses simply go for a monopod. I've never used one myself, but think about getting one from time to time. No reason it should not work fine on a compact (especially a superzoom) as long as it is not too heavy, and is quick and easy to "telescope". I have used a monopod a number of times but I find it most useful for getting the camera into positions which I could not conveniently manage without it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xi1bjcoa1v...4265a.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/2hcv4dos88...7_DxO.jpg?dl=0 If you have a remote release, you can also use the monopod to shoot clear views over a crowd, etc. Not with a very long lens of course. The first link above was a bit like that except that I had my camera resting upside down on my shoe. The second link was with the camera well above my head to get a better viewpoint of the very large canoe (waka). I was shooting blind and it took me several shots to get the one I wanted. But I couldn't have done it without the monopod. Sorry, I wondered about the second case, but it wasn't immediately obvious even after looking again. |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 22:38:35 +0100, newshound
wrote: On 25/07/2018 05:15, Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:33:23 +0100, newshound wrote: On 24/07/2018 02:02, Eric Stevens wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:54:57 +0100, newshound wrote: On 22/07/2018 14:57, Johnny wrote: I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? It's notable how many "sports" pros who need mobility and long (heavy) lenses simply go for a monopod. I've never used one myself, but think about getting one from time to time. No reason it should not work fine on a compact (especially a superzoom) as long as it is not too heavy, and is quick and easy to "telescope". I have used a monopod a number of times but I find it most useful for getting the camera into positions which I could not conveniently manage without it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xi1bjcoa1v...4265a.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/2hcv4dos88...7_DxO.jpg?dl=0 If you have a remote release, you can also use the monopod to shoot clear views over a crowd, etc. Not with a very long lens of course. The first link above was a bit like that except that I had my camera resting upside down on my shoe. The second link was with the camera well above my head to get a better viewpoint of the very large canoe (waka). I was shooting blind and it took me several shots to get the one I wanted. But I couldn't have done it without the monopod. Sorry, I wondered about the second case, but it wasn't immediately obvious even after looking again. The camera probably was 9'~10' above the floor level. I could barely see over the sides of the canoe and a shot from that level would have been a waste of time. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 2018-07-22 09:57, Johnny wrote:
I have a basic digital compact and use a string tripod to avoid camera shake. I usually loop the string round the back of my neck but most advice sites suggest standing on the string. Is one of these better than the other for reducing shake? Offhand I'd say standing on the stringpod (it's not a tripod, really) is best. I tested this a few years ago and it does work (v. handholding) for a 2 or 3 stop advantage. Not bad. But a little clumsy. -- "2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants. Proof that we need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do." - unknown protester |
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