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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
"Peter A. Stavrakoglou" wrote in message ... "ian lincoln" wrote in message news Absolutely not. I own a lens. One was enough. Someone else mentioned the sigma/canon problems. REchipping etc. If you have ever held a brand new top end sigma lens in your hand and watch the end fall off. Then again after returning from sigma for repair. Their cheap dx lenses for digital cameras are the very worst. If you must go non manufacturer brand go tamron or tokina. Trust me when i say sigma sell most cos dealers like 'em. They like em cos they are cheaper than the other brands but still have a better markup not because of any optical or build quality merits. A co-worker owns a Mercedes Benz that has been nothing but constant headaches. It's a real lemon. Mercedes must be really lousy cars, all of them. think you missed the point somewhere. I'm not merely commenting on my own lense performance. I used to sell the things and handled quite a few. Even very modern sigmas have compatibility issues when the next model canon camera comes out. Watching a very expensive lense fall apart in your hands is not reassuring either. Especially after its been returned to sigma for repair and then just done it again. Then there are the ones where they won't switch from auto to manual focus regardless of the switch position. Or just don't auto focus but the motor and lens barrel move. Like I'm not against third party products just sigma ones. |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
"Peter A. Stavrakoglou" wrote in message ... A co-worker owns a Mercedes Benz that has been nothing but constant headaches. It's a real lemon. Mercedes must be really lousy cars, all of them. Nah! Just the ones built in america. |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
"cjcampbell" wrote in message For me, it just came down to which camera feels better in my hand. I like the feel of the Nikon over the Canon, but that is an extremely personal perspective. Get whichever camera has the controls where you are likely to remember them and use them easily. Imagine walking around all day holding the camera by its grip. Better yet, get a loaner and walk around all day with it. Get the camera that makes you hurt less. If you plan to do alot of flash work then look at the nikon. Also don't overlook minolta. They have very good metering, focusing and flash systems. Then there is the antishake that will work on all your lenses. Big money saver when you look at canon IS and nikon VR lenses. |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
"nick c" wrote in message
. .. Skip M wrote: "nick c" wrote in message . .. Skip M wrote: "Per Ting" wrote in message .. . How these two compare, the price of cannon is slightly higher, but in terms of quality how do they compare. I am thinking of D70s with 18-70 kit lens and 20D with 17-85 IS lens. How do the lenses compare? Any suggestion for better wakl around lenses to go with each? I have heard good things about Sigma 18-50 and 18-200 lenses. Thanks As far as which camera, that's one only you can answer, really. The pixel count is close, but in favor of the Canon, the noise issue is a wash, the Nikon is a little better at low ISO, the Canon is better at high ISO. Lens lines are pretty much equally deep, with consumer and pro lenses both wide and tele. Canon has more stabilized lenses, but only in the far reaches of the tele world, both have a good selection of zoom lenses that have stabilization. If you're going to shoot architecture, Canon offers some exotic tilt and shift lenses that Nikon doesn't. Some people like the ergonomics of one over the other, again, that's something best left up to you. The Canon 17-85 IS is a better lens, somewhat, but its main claim to fame is the IS feature, one that the Nikon lacks. Skip, I recall reading a magazine article where the reporter was interviewing someone in the Canon hierarchy. The 17-85 "S" lens was mentioned along with other lenses and the Canon person said if it were not for the 17-85 lens being a "S" lens, the lens is so good it would be have been released as an "L" lens. I have the 17-85 lens and it's almost always on the 20D camera. As to it being good enough to be labeled an "L" lens ... shrug. But it is a darn good lens. No argument there, but quality is not the criterion for inclusion in "L"dom. Exotic elements, defined as exotic types of glass such as fluorite, or low dispersion glass, are needed for the lens to be considered an "L", according to Canon's own literature. The 60mm Macro has this type of glass, but I guess it is not included because it is an EF-S lens. (?) Makes little to no sense to me... The 10-22 "S" lens has S-UD glass and it isn't labeled as a "L" lens. I don't think the 60mm Macro "S" lens has either S-UD (or UD), or fluorite glass. I was thinking about that one, just going from a memory that ain't what it used to be. I don't know if lens build quality alone may be a criterion for labeling a "L" lens, but I tend to think it may be. For example, the 14mm f-2.8 "L" lens and the excellent 35mm f-1.4 "L" lens doesn't have either fluorite or S-UD glass yet they are "L" lens. However, they, like the 17-85 lens have aspherical elements. I'm equally puzzled. My wife -ahem-"rearranged" our bookcase the other day, and I can't find my lens lit. from Canon, but I thought the 35mm f1.4, at least, had UD glass. If not, I'm just as puzzled as I ever was. -- Skip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
"Skip M" wrote in message
news:70xhf.9733$dv.5648@fed1read02... "Peter A. Stavrakoglou" wrote in message ... "ian lincoln" wrote in message news Absolutely not. I own a lens. One was enough. Someone else mentioned the sigma/canon problems. REchipping etc. If you have ever held a brand new top end sigma lens in your hand and watch the end fall off. Then again after returning from sigma for repair. Their cheap dx lenses for digital cameras are the very worst. If you must go non manufacturer brand go tamron or tokina. Trust me when i say sigma sell most cos dealers like 'em. They like em cos they are cheaper than the other brands but still have a better markup not because of any optical or build quality merits. A co-worker owns a Mercedes Benz that has been nothing but constant headaches. It's a real lemon. Mercedes must be really lousy cars, all of them. Actually, DaimlerChrysler has acknowledged that they have some severe quality issues, especially when it comes to electronics, and the perception is even worse, so that probably wasn't the best analogy you could have used... I won an 18 month-old 300C, quality has been very, very good. I know Daimler-Chrysler is having quality issues, as well as BMW. Perhaps I should have used Honda as an example (I know someone who has a real lemon of an Accord) but I think you got my point |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
"Rich" wrote in message
... On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:22:19 -0500, "Peter A. Stavrakoglou" wrote: "ian lincoln" wrote in message news Absolutely not. I own a lens. One was enough. Someone else mentioned the sigma/canon problems. REchipping etc. If you have ever held a brand new top end sigma lens in your hand and watch the end fall off. Then again after returning from sigma for repair. Their cheap dx lenses for digital cameras are the very worst. If you must go non manufacturer brand go tamron or tokina. Trust me when i say sigma sell most cos dealers like 'em. They like em cos they are cheaper than the other brands but still have a better markup not because of any optical or build quality merits. A co-worker owns a Mercedes Benz that has been nothing but constant headaches. It's a real lemon. Mercedes must be really lousy cars, all of them. Euro cars score third of three in reliability tests. But it's nice to know you can sit in luxury while you wait for the tow truck. LOL! |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
On 24 Nov 2005 08:03:53 -0800, "JimKramer" wrote:
If you are not already invested in a lens line, go to a retail store and pick up both cameras; buy the one that feels right in your hands. Bravo. The D70s and 20D come in at different price points and have different feature sets, but if you don't like using which ever one you buy, it's going to be a mediocre paperweight. -- Michael Benveniste -- Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
In article , Rich dfs wrote:
Euro cars score third of three in reliability tests. But it's nice to know you can sit in luxury while you wait for the tow truck. Are you saying that just the cars that don't work get exported from Europe to the US? -- That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
The D70 compared with 300 D?? The D70 is a much better camera. I know that, you know that, but the vast majority of newbies don't. The way it works is like this; Canon comes out with a camera that makes people sit up and take notice. Nikon responds after about a year with a camera that is priced about the same, but is a lot better. Canon responds within 6-12 months with a new feature or a new camera altogether. And so on... -- DD www.dallasdahms.com Central Scrutinizer I got your point, DD..It`s true. Max |
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Canon 20D or Nikon D70s?
Martin Francis wrote:
"Paul Furman" wrote in message news I got the Sigma 12-24 thinking full frame was important. It's pretty sharp, almost flawless distortion and built like a tank, their own version of AF-S. The color rendition & contrast aren't that great & the bokeh is hideous but I only use it in focus and saved about $300 at the time. It's a pleasure to handle. I'm not one to jump in on the Sigma debate- I don't like 'em much, but whatever floats yer boat- but I have to ask on that last point.... ...doesn't that slightly velvety, spangly finish to the barrel really grate on your nerve endings? It does mine- it makes me think of nail files. LOL I can get a chalkboard squeak out of it rubbing my finger across now that you mention but I have a bigger problem with the narrow gold stripe g. |
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