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Old June 12th 08, 04:01 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
measekite
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)

Using the same lens; lets say the 18-85mm IS Canon lens.

Forget about weight and durability.

Which will produce the best image quality or would they be about the same?

What are the advantages of the 450D other than a cheaper price which is
obvious?

What are the advantages of the 40D other than better seals?

There is a big difference in price between these camera and the cheapest
full frame Canon, the 5D soon to be replaced. We also know that the
EF-S lenses will not work on a full frame.

With that in mind, and no moderately price full frame camera announced
and not trend to see would it be more prudent to purchase EF-S lenses
that are smaller, lighter and less expensive than the EF counterpart or
pay more for the lens and carry around more size and weight as insurance
that there soon will be a less expensive full frame that the
5D/replacement or in the event that the small sensor DSLRs will soon
disappear and give way to only full frame?

In the film world there was a complete lineup of full frame SLR but they
all took the same film and lenses.
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Old June 12th 08, 12:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)


"measekite" wrote in message
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Using the same lens; lets say the 18-85mm IS Canon lens.

Forget about weight and durability.

Which will produce the best image quality or would they be about the same?

What are the advantages of the 450D other than a cheaper price which is
obvious?

What are the advantages of the 40D other than better seals?

There is a big difference in price between these camera and the cheapest
full frame Canon, the 5D soon to be replaced. We also know that the EF-S
lenses will not work on a full frame.

With that in mind, and no moderately price full frame camera announced and
not trend to see would it be more prudent to purchase EF-S lenses that are
smaller, lighter and less expensive than the EF counterpart or pay more
for the lens and carry around more size and weight as insurance that there
soon will be a less expensive full frame that the 5D/replacement or in the
event that the small sensor DSLRs will soon disappear and give way to only
full frame?


Different formats, different cameras, different reasons for choosing one
over the other. The 40D is faster with a better AF system and better high
ISO performance. And more durable. Different beasts for different uses.

The 5D will be replaced, eventually, but that doesn't mean you'll need to
move from sub-frame, nor does it mean that you'll need to do anything. Your
equipment will continue to function as it did when you purchased it. So,
with that in mind, here's my answer:

If you want to save size and weight, go sub-frame and don't worry about EF-S
lenses becoming obsolete. They won't. Sub-frame cameras are here to stay,
and will present a smaller and lighter alternative to FF cams. The only
reason NOT to buy sub-frame is if you want or need something that you can
get only in a FF cam. So get the smaller cam if it suits your needs and
don't worry about it.

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Old June 13th 08, 01:39 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Shawn Hirn
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)

In article ,
measekite wrote:

Using the same lens; lets say the 18-85mm IS Canon lens.

Forget about weight and durability.

Which will produce the best image quality or would they be about the same?

What are the advantages of the 450D other than a cheaper price which is
obvious?


What's your definition of "best?"

My suggestion is simple. Try each camera in a camera store and read the
reviews on http://www.dpreview.com then you'll know which model fits
your needs best. Both cameras are superb though.
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Old June 13th 08, 04:09 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Frank ess
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)

In article ,
measekite wrote:

Using the same lens; lets say the 18-85mm IS Canon lens.

Forget about weight and durability.

Which will produce the best image quality or would they be about the
same?

What are the advantages of the 450D other than a cheaper price which
is
obvious?


I had the same question back when the 20D and the 350 XT were newish.
The 20D was main and the 350 XT was "auxiliary backup" and "second
unit".

After a few weeks use I decided I should have saved up and bought
another 20D. The XT's images were nearly identical to the 20D with
same lenses and similar or same conditions. Getting those images was
much more laborious on the XT. The 20D removed several menu-layer and
other control obstacles present in the XT, and represented a
facilitator of better photos rather than a hindrance.

I'd hope that by now Canon had resolved those differences, but
wouldn't be surprised if some version of them still resided in the
less expensive camera, if not by design, by some weird idea of
"necessity".

Any road, my experience in this kind of choice is: Go for the more
advanced - even if more expensive - item, and you'll not be kicking
yourself about your decision. Money is not all that significant in the
relationship between you and your camera. Knowing the camera is "best"
can make a real difference.

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Frank ess

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Old June 13th 08, 04:22 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
John Passaneau
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)

I had the same question back when the 20D and the 350 XT were newish.
The 20D was main and the 350 XT was "auxiliary backup" and "second
unit".

After a few weeks use I decided I should have saved up and bought
another 20D. The XT's images were nearly identical to the 20D with
same lenses and similar or same conditions. Getting those images was
much more laborious on the XT. The 20D removed several menu-layer and
other control obstacles present in the XT, and represented a
facilitator of better photos rather than a hindrance.

I'd hope that by now Canon had resolved those differences, but
wouldn't be surprised if some version of them still resided in the
less expensive camera, if not by design, by some weird idea of
"necessity".

Any road, my experience in this kind of choice is: Go for the more
advanced - even if more expensive - item, and you'll not be kicking
yourself about your decision. Money is not all that significant in the
relationship between you and your camera. Knowing the camera is "best"
can make a real difference.


Hi All:

The main difference for me between the 2 cameras is the viewfinder and the
reason I bought the 40D over any of the lower priced Canon cameras.
The 40D has a pentaprism all the others have pentamirror. To me the
brightness and clarity of the 40D is all over the digital rebel series
cameras.
Of course I like some of the other features of the 40D but the viewfinder
made me plunk my credit card down.

John Passaneau
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Old June 14th 08, 12:59 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Shawn Hirn
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)

In article ,
John Passaneau wrote:

I had the same question back when the 20D and the 350 XT were newish.
The 20D was main and the 350 XT was "auxiliary backup" and "second
unit".

After a few weeks use I decided I should have saved up and bought
another 20D. The XT's images were nearly identical to the 20D with
same lenses and similar or same conditions. Getting those images was
much more laborious on the XT. The 20D removed several menu-layer and
other control obstacles present in the XT, and represented a
facilitator of better photos rather than a hindrance.

I'd hope that by now Canon had resolved those differences, but
wouldn't be surprised if some version of them still resided in the
less expensive camera, if not by design, by some weird idea of
"necessity".

Any road, my experience in this kind of choice is: Go for the more
advanced - even if more expensive - item, and you'll not be kicking
yourself about your decision. Money is not all that significant in the
relationship between you and your camera. Knowing the camera is "best"
can make a real difference.


Hi All:

The main difference for me between the 2 cameras is the viewfinder and the
reason I bought the 40D over any of the lower priced Canon cameras.
The 40D has a pentaprism all the others have pentamirror. To me the
brightness and clarity of the 40D is all over the digital rebel series
cameras.
Of course I like some of the other features of the 40D but the viewfinder
made me plunk my credit card down.


The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I can't
compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very happy
with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots of
favorable comments.
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Old June 14th 08, 01:10 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)

Shawn Hirn wrote in
:

The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very
happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots
of favorable comments.


because of the live view feature?
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Old June 14th 08, 04:16 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Jeannie
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:12:17 -0400, Shawn Hirn
wrote:

In article ,
SamSez wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote in
:

The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very
happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots
of favorable comments.


because of the live view feature?


Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
have previously not been able to do.


Sure, but the 40D also has Live View.

One criterion, two criteria. The singular is criterion. Funny, huh?

J
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Old June 14th 08, 07:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)


? "Jeannie" ?????? ??? ??????
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:12:17 -0400, Shawn Hirn
wrote:

In article ,
SamSez wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote in
:

The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very
happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots
of favorable comments.


because of the live view feature?


Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
have previously not been able to do.


Sure, but the 40D also has Live View.

One criterion, two criteria. The singular is criterion. Funny, huh?

That's because it's a greek word.



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Old June 20th 08, 05:27 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Canon 40D vs Canon 450D (XSi)



Shawn Hirn wrote:
In article ,
SamSez wrote:


Shawn Hirn wrote in
:


The choice of a camera is not much different then choosing a pair of
shoes. What's good for you, may not be good for the next person. I
bought an XSi in April and I love it. What convinced me to go with it
instead of the 40D was the live view feature and lighter weight. I
can't compare my XSi to a 40D because I don't own a 40D, but I am very
happy with the photos I am getting out of it and I have received lots
of favorable comments.


because of the live view feature?


Live view was a significant criteria for me. With it, I can hold the
camera above my head or low to the ground and get shots that I would
have previously not been able to do.

Yes but to make live view really effective don't you think that Canon
should offer an articulating LCD like on the S5?
 




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