Depth of field - two of them?

On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 11:16:21 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other
things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad.

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

then you have a slow wifi link this is not a fault of the ipad.

correct. he even provided numbers. his network is broken.

again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its
fullest potential.

Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest
applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small
touch-screen.

No it depends on the devices used.

it also depends on the tasks.

for many things, a tablet or phone is *far* better. for others it's not.

That's more or less what I said in the beginning. But the thought that
there might be applications where I ranked any Apple device second
seems to have enraged you.

no device is ideal for everything, especially when one doesn't know how
to use it properly.

Here is a question for you. How much does George Soros spend on
climate related activities and where and upon what does he spend it?
The information is there on the Internet. When you have got the
answers, please do the same for the brothers Koch. I will have some
more names ready for you when you have finished that.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other
things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad.

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

then you have a slow wifi link this is not a fault of the ipad.

Who said I thought it was.

you did.

It's merely a factor coloring my view of
it's use. It's nospam who is seeing my comment as an attack directed
at Apple.

nope.

the speed of your wifi link has nothing to do with apple.

the problem is a misconfigured network and/or obsolete networking gear.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

It's clumsy and it's slow.

nonsense. it's as fast or faster than a laptop or desktop.

I can't answer for the hardware you use.

the hardware is irrelevant. displaying search results is not cpu
intensive.

But maybe you only do simple
searches.

the complexity or simplicity of a search is also irrelevant.

Yep. You only ask simple questions.

nope.

as usual, you blame everything but yourself for not knowing how to
do
something.

Who said I couldn't do it? I said "It's clumsy and slow".

what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other
things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad.

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

nonsense.

your isp is the limiting factor, not the network.

That's not my experience.

then your experience is very limited.

you would need a 2 gigabit isp plan *and* a 10gig enet card in your
desktop *and* saturate the network (which a search won't do) for there
to be a difference.

Right now my download speed via the iPad is 23 Mbps.. From my desktop
it is 105.3 Mbps.

then there's a problem with your network hardware and/or its
configuration.

ipads are capable of gigabit speeds, which would be nearly 10x *faster*
than your reported desktop speeds.

don't blame the ipad for a ****ty network.

That's more than two whole stops difference.

download speed is not measures in stops.

I have been told on very good assurance that you can measure anything
in stops, or even EVs, as long as the square root of two is involved.
It doesn't have to have anything to do with lenses.

you were told wrong.

how the hell did you even come up with that idiocy anyway? that's not
even remotely close to what was discussed in the ev thread.

Upload
speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds.

they should be the same.

In my case they are throttled.

bull****. there is *no* throttling on the ipad.

the reason you are getting 23 mbps on the ipad versus 105.3 mbps on the
desktop is because your network has very serious problems, and what's
worse is you have no interest in fixing anything.

your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad.

But it is a factor in why I don't like using it for applications such
as Google.

nonsense, and it's already been established that the google application
is garbage. do not use.

as i said, searching on an ipad is as fast or faster than on a laptop
or desktop.

Google searching is not done on the ipad.

then it can't be clumsy and slow.

do try to keep your story straight.

Please don't try to be stupid.

take your own advice. you are having a world of problems doing the
simplest of tasks, a google search, and blaming everything other than
yourself.

There is no question of blame. I am merely comparing experiences.

don't assume your experiences is what others experience.

the question is why aren't you interested in fixing the problems?

The iPad is just the front end of a
long and complicated process.

nonsense. a search is a very simple and straightforward process.

Hooking up with Google is tedious and involves multiple backwards and
forward communications.

nonsense. complete utter nonsense. seriously, wtf?

Some of the problems may be due to the
iPad.

none are

Others are due to the Google application for the iPad.

don't use it.

In your usual style you don't suggest any alternative.

wrong. i suggested exactly how to improve upon it.

in your usual style, you ignore what people write.

In the meantime there is all
the stuff that Google sends backwards and forwards to suppot it's
interface.

what interface? google's main page is very, very simple, and the
'stuff' sent will be the same to any computer, actually *less* on
mobile.

You know very well what I am talking about. You are very close to
being treated as just another troll.

i know that you're trying to avoid admitting the problem is yourself.

google's 'interface' is a very basic web page. it's remained that way
intentionally, so that searches can easily be done.

Simple searches can be done very easily - once you get it loaded.

i.e., no different than a desktop computer.


--- snip ---

I'm fed up with this.

as you should be, because you've once again been shown to be wrong and
instead of admitting it and learning something, you argue.

Where you are concerned there is no way that any
Apple experience can be improved. Anyone who criticizes any service on
an Apple device is criticizing Apple (and only Apple).

nope. this has absolutely nothing to do with apple, other than you
happen to be using an ipad.

I expect my
criticism will apply equally well to an Android tablet but that idea
is utterly beyond you.

it would, because the problem is not apple.

it's you.

I am criticizing Apple and only Apple.

except that apple isn't at fault.

what *you* are doing is the problem.

You are
a bigot.

ad hominem.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other
things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad.

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

then you have a slow wifi link this is not a fault of the ipad.

correct. he even provided numbers. his network is broken.

again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its
fullest potential.

Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest
applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small
touch-screen.

No it depends on the devices used.

it also depends on the tasks.

for many things, a tablet or phone is *far* better. for others it's not.

That's more or less what I said in the beginning.

no it isn't. you said searches were 'clumsy and slow'. that's flat out
false.

what *you* are doing is what's clumsy and slow, not the devices
involved.

But the thought that
there might be applications where I ranked any Apple device second
seems to have enraged you.

not at all.

what i take issue with is that you're blaming the device when it's not
the device at all.

in this case, it happens to be an ipad, but my reaction would be the
same if it was an android device.

you are blaming everything other than yourself for your own inability
to do something, and worse, refusing to learn how to improve it.

and the slowness you're experiencing has been shown to be a networking
issue, entirely unrelated to apple.

no device is ideal for everything, especially when one doesn't know how
to use it properly.

Here is a question for you. How much does George Soros spend on
climate related activities and where and upon what does he spend it?
The information is there on the Internet. When you have got the
answers, please do the same for the brothers Koch. I will have some
more names ready for you when you have finished that.

major diversion.

try to stick to the topic.

On Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:51:50 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

Upload
speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds.

they should be the same.

In my case they are throttled.

your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad.

But it is a factor in why I don't like using it for applications such
as Google.

I really hate to ask this, but are you using an ipad you got from a
cellular company? If so, are you sure it is switching over to wifi at
home? I ask this only because that was the issue my sister had.

In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

So did you compare yuor desktop wifi and the ipad wifi. ?

wifi is almost always slower than an ethernet cable.

only slightly, and well above the numbers he was reporting anyway.

On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 23:25:06 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

It's clumsy and it's slow.

nonsense. it's as fast or faster than a laptop or desktop.

I can't answer for the hardware you use.

the hardware is irrelevant. displaying search results is not cpu
intensive.

But maybe you only do simple
searches.

the complexity or simplicity of a search is also irrelevant.

Yep. You only ask simple questions.

nope.

as usual, you blame everything but yourself for not knowing how to
do
something.

Who said I couldn't do it? I said "It's clumsy and slow".

what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other
things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad.

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

nonsense.

your isp is the limiting factor, not the network.

That's not my experience.

then your experience is very limited.

you would need a 2 gigabit isp plan *and* a 10gig enet card in your
desktop *and* saturate the network (which a search won't do) for there
to be a difference.

Right now my download speed via the iPad is 23 Mbps.. From my desktop
it is 105.3 Mbps.

then there's a problem with your network hardware and/or its
configuration.

ipads are capable of gigabit speeds, which would be nearly 10x *faster*
than your reported desktop speeds.

don't blame the ipad for a ****ty network.

That's more than two whole stops difference.

download speed is not measures in stops.

I have been told on very good assurance that you can measure anything
in stops, or even EVs, as long as the square root of two is involved.
It doesn't have to have anything to do with lenses.

you were told wrong.

how the hell did you even come up with that idiocy anyway? that's not
even remotely close to what was discussed in the ev thread.

Just another small jump, following your directional lead.

Upload
speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds.

they should be the same.

In my case they are throttled.

bull****. there is *no* throttling on the ipad.

You bloody idiot! Who said anything about the iPad doing the
throttling? It's done by the ISP. That, and the iPad is also throttled
by the WiFi.

the reason you are getting 23 mbps on the ipad versus 105.3 mbps on the
desktop is because your network has very serious problems, and what's
worse is you have no interest in fixing anything.

It's amazing what you know about me.

your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad.

See - you already knew the reason.


But it is a factor in why I don't like using it for applications such
as Google.

nonsense, and it's already been established that the google application
is garbage. do not use.

Then how else do I search Google/

as i said, searching on an ipad is as fast or faster than on a laptop
or desktop.

Google searching is not done on the ipad.

then it can't be clumsy and slow.

do try to keep your story straight.

Please don't try to be stupid.

take your own advice. you are having a world of problems doing the
simplest of tasks, a google search, and blaming everything other than
yourself.

There is no question of blame. I am merely comparing experiences.

don't assume your experiences is what others experience.

Why not? You assumed that that is what I said.

the question is why aren't you interested in fixing the problems?

Because by going upstairs I can get a keyboard, a mouse and two 25"
screens, all connected via a powerful desktop via a T1000 connection
to highspeed fibre. You are bonkers if you think that an iPad on wifi
can beat that.

The iPad is just the front end of a
long and complicated process.

nonsense. a search is a very simple and straightforward process.

Hooking up with Google is tedious and involves multiple backwards and
forward communications.

nonsense. complete utter nonsense. seriously, wtf?

Some of the problems may be due to the
iPad.

none are

Others are due to the Google application for the iPad.

don't use it.

In your usual style you don't suggest any alternative.

wrong. i suggested exactly how to improve upon it.

in your usual style, you ignore what people write.

In the meantime there is all
the stuff that Google sends backwards and forwards to suppot it's
interface.

what interface? google's main page is very, very simple, and the
'stuff' sent will be the same to any computer, actually *less* on
mobile.

You know very well what I am talking about. You are very close to
being treated as just another troll.

i know that you're trying to avoid admitting the problem is yourself.

google's 'interface' is a very basic web page. it's remained that way
intentionally, so that searches can easily be done.

Simple searches can be done very easily - once you get it loaded.

i.e., no different than a desktop computer.


--- snip ---

I'm fed up with this.

as you should be, because you've once again been shown to be wrong and
instead of admitting it and learning something, you argue.

Where you are concerned there is no way that any
Apple experience can be improved. Anyone who criticizes any service on
an Apple device is criticizing Apple (and only Apple).

nope. this has absolutely nothing to do with apple, other than you
happen to be using an ipad.

I expect my
criticism will apply equally well to an Android tablet but that idea
is utterly beyond you.

it would, because the problem is not apple.

it's you.

I am criticizing Apple and only Apple.

except that apple isn't at fault.

what *you* are doing is the problem.

You are
a bigot.

ad hominem.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 22:58:47 -0600, Bill W
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:51:50 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

Upload
speeds are about 25% of the upload speeds.

they should be the same.

In my case they are throttled.

your isp might be asymmetric, but that has nothing to do with the ipad.

But it is a factor in why I don't like using it for applications such
as Google.

I really hate to ask this, but are you using an ipad you got from a
cellular company? If so, are you sure it is switching over to wifi at
home? I ask this only because that was the issue my sister had.

It's a 3rd generation iPad I bought from Apple many years ago. It's
got lots of memory and room for a sim card but I have never got around
to installing one.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 23:25:07 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other
things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad.

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

then you have a slow wifi link this is not a fault of the ipad.

correct. he even provided numbers. his network is broken.

again, don't blame the ipad because you don't know how to use it to its
fullest potential.

Where there is no difference in user skill for all but the simplest
applications a desk top will always wind hands down over a small
touch-screen.

No it depends on the devices used.

it also depends on the tasks.

for many things, a tablet or phone is *far* better. for others it's not.

That's more or less what I said in the beginning.

no it isn't. you said searches were 'clumsy and slow'. that's flat out
false.

what *you* are doing is what's clumsy and slow, not the devices
involved.

That sounds suspiciously like an ad hominem but I know you didn't
really mean it.

But the thought that
there might be applications where I ranked any Apple device second
seems to have enraged you.

not at all.

what i take issue with is that you're blaming the device when it's not
the device at all.

The device contains the user interface at the end of a long pipe line.
It isn't connected by ethernet to a highspeed fibre but relies on
wifi. It has a small screen so can't easily run more than one graphic
page at a time. It has no physical keyboard but relies on the
simulation of one via a touch screen. It has no mouse and requires
various gestures on the screen, both singly and in combination, to
achieve would would be done by a mouse on a desktop. For these various
reaons it does not use the same front-end applications as a desk top.
For many applicatoins I find the experience of using an iPad (or any
other tablet) to slower, clumsier and less pleasant than doing them on
a desk top.

in this case, it happens to be an ipad, but my reaction would be the
same if it was an android device.

you are blaming everything other than yourself for your own inability
to do something, and worse, refusing to learn how to improve it.

You really are an idiot.

and the slowness you're experiencing has been shown to be a networking
issue, entirely unrelated to apple.

And only you seem to think I am targeting Apple.

no device is ideal for everything, especially when one doesn't know how
to use it properly.

Here is a question for you. How much does George Soros spend on
climate related activities and where and upon what does he spend it?
The information is there on the Internet. When you have got the
answers, please do the same for the brothers Koch. I will have some
more names ready for you when you have finished that.

major diversion.

try to stick to the topic.

Try to carry out that search to enable you to better understand why I
prefer a desk top.

Yours is a stupid argument. I'm leaving it there.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 23:25:04 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

what makes it clumsy and slow is how *you* choose to do it and other
things. that's *your* doing, not a flaw in the ipad.

It's slow because it relies on a wifi link. My desktop is many times
faster.

then you have a slow wifi link this is not a fault of the ipad.

Who said I thought it was.

you did.

It's merely a factor coloring my view of
it's use. It's nospam who is seeing my comment as an attack directed
at Apple.

nope.

the speed of your wifi link has nothing to do with apple.

the problem is a misconfigured network and/or obsolete networking gear.

https://support.netcommwireless.com/...User-Guide.pdf
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens