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Death of a Small Town
JimKramer wrote:
On Jan 31, 1:47*am, wrote: On Jan 31, 11:58 am, JimKramer wrote: These are from this past summer, an entire roll of Delta 3200 in a small town near dusk. Death of a Small Town (An Evening With A Roll of Delta 3200)http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/LT/SmallTown1.htm The good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd... Some very nice stuff there, Jim, but Dave's right- that background sucks - what were you thinking? (O: It also highlights (pun not intended..) the fact that those images are all a bit short on true blacks - is that an artistic choice? *I would have thought using the full dynamic range would add to the feeling, but I may be wrong. *And I guess going to full blacks might also over- emphasise the noise... I was thinking that you'd start with the first thumbnail and look at the frames rather than go back to the thumbnails. :-) Which is exactly what I did, but my initial reaction when I first loaded the thumbnail page was "Eww!". |
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Death of a Small Town
JimKramer wrote:
On Jan 31, 6:32 am, Colin_D wrote: JimKramer wrote: These are from this past summer, an entire roll of Delta 3200 in a small town near dusk. Death of a Small Town (An Evening With A Roll of Delta 3200) http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/LT/SmallTown1.htm The good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd... Your pics are interesting from a journalistic perspective (pun unintentional), but the tonal gradation from that 3200 film is shockingly bad, as is the grain, clearly visible even on the smallish images. If I had done a similar walk around a semi-derelict town and came back with images like those, I would be deeply disappointed. What do you think of them yourself? Would you use Delta again? Colin D. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com A few I like very much, most I would throw away, more I would like to re-shoot with a different format something with tilt/shift would be nice. Some I wished very much I had a color camera that I was carrying. There had been a fire and a storm was rolling in, so the sunset was very colorful, looked more like the sky was on fire. I have shot Delta 3200 since @ 1600 much cleaner and better tonality, but still grainy as sand. I achieved the effect that I wanted from this roll, so I got what I wanted, I just didn't like all of it. :-) Generally, people will say to show only the best shots, but in this case I appreciated that you shared the entire roll. There were a few that I felt could have been straightened or cropped better, but by seeing them all I felt that I got a good sense of what you were trying to convey. |
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[PICS] Death of a Small Town
The DaveŠ wrote:
To me, the grain was the whole point... to create/enhance the feeling of starkness and bleakness and portray the *feeling* of a dying town. To bring the viewer in with the sense of what must be a silent hopelessness for the residents. In that case tried processing it in rodinal?! Pete -- http://www.petezilla.co.uk |
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Death of a Small Town
The DaveŠ wrote:
Generally, people will say to show only the best shots, but in this case I appreciated that you shared the entire roll. There were a few that I felt could have been straightened or cropped better, but by seeing them all I felt that I got a good sense of what you were trying to convey. Interesting view point. I rarely chuck much away and only barely can come to terms with throwing out blank/blurred slides. Sometimes the set is more interesting that a couple of the better shots. Pete -- http://www.petezilla.co.uk |
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Death of a Small Town
On Jan 31, 12:45*pm, The DaveŠ wrote:
JimKramer wrote: On Jan 31, 1:47*am, wrote: On Jan 31, 11:58 am, JimKramer wrote: These are from this past summer, an entire roll of Delta 3200 in a small town near dusk. Death of a Small Town (An Evening With A Roll of Delta 3200)http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/LT/SmallTown1.htm The good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd... Some very nice stuff there, Jim, but Dave's right- that background sucks - what were you thinking? (O: It also highlights (pun not intended..) the fact that those images are all a bit short on true blacks - is that an artistic choice? *I would have thought using the full dynamic range would add to the feeling, but I may be wrong. *And I guess going to full blacks might also over- emphasise the noise... I was thinking that you'd start with the first thumbnail and look at the frames rather than go back to the thumbnails. :-) Which is exactly what I did, but my initial reaction when I first loaded the thumbnail page was "Eww!".- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I added a little grain tell me what you think. :-) |
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Death of a Small Town
On Jan 31, 5:31*pm, That Rich wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:06:20 -0800 (PST), JimKramer wrote: On Jan 31, 6:32 am, Colin_D wrote: JimKramer wrote: These are from this past summer, an entire roll of Delta 3200 in a small town near dusk. Death of a Small Town (An Evening With A Roll of Delta 3200) http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/LT/SmallTown1.htm The good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd... Your pics are interesting from a journalistic perspective (pun unintentional), but the tonal gradation from that 3200 film is shockingly bad, as is the grain, clearly visible even on the smallish images. If I had done a similar walk around a semi-derelict town and came back with images like those, I would be deeply disappointed. What do you think of them yourself? *Would you use Delta again? Colin D. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com A few I like very much, most I would throw away, more I would like to re-shoot with a different format something with tilt/shift would be nice. *Some I wished very much I had a color camera that I was carrying. *There had been a fire and a storm was rolling in, so the sunset was very colorful, looked more like the sky was on fire. I have shot Delta 3200 since @ 1600 much cleaner and better tonality, but still grainy as sand. *I achieved the effect that I wanted from this roll, so I got what I wanted, I just didn't like all of *it. :-) The set has a very documentary look to it. They indeed invoke emotion while viewing them, tell a sad story. Well done Jim. Are you familiar with David Plowden. Great stuff. His latest books is about dying towns, as always, B&W MF stuff. Cheers, RPŠ - There is a poignant fatality in Plowden but also humor and strength and story. * * * * -Stephen Margulies- Unless you go and photograph your damned engines and get them out of your system, you will never photograph anything else. * * * * * -Minor White to David Plowden-- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks, I took a look at his site http://www.davidplowden.com/ Nothing like large format and slower speed films for cleaner images. ;-) |
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Death of a Small Town
JimKramer wrote:
Which is exactly what I did, but my initial reaction when I first loaded the thumbnail page was "Eww!".- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I added a little grain tell me what you think. :-) LOL!!! Ya know, it's actually 'better'. Not good, but better. :-) |
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Death of a Small Town
On Jan 30, 8:58*pm, JimKramer wrote:
These are from this past summer, an entire roll of Delta 3200 in a small town near dusk. Death of a Small Town (An Evening With A Roll of Delta 3200)http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/LT/SmallTown1.htm The good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd... I was really into the grainy film years ago. It gave a dramatic, bleak, cold effect to the street photography I was doing. It brought out the emotion and feeling of what the person was enduring. I agree that a slower film speed gives a cleaner and sharper image, but in some cases when you need to show the severity of pain a person is enduring in their life, or in this case the death of a small town, that grainy look just adds to what you're trying to say. Some great documentary images there Jim! Helen |
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Death of a Small Town
On Jan 31, 6:51*pm, That Rich wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:46:53 -0800 (PST), JimKramer wrote: Thanks, I took a look at his site http://www.davidplowden.com/ Nothing like large format and slower speed films for cleaner images. ;-) I feel the Delta 3200 worked great for your application. What ISO setting did you use? Did you process the negs at home? RPŠ This was all shot at 3200, but I whimped out and took it into the local lab. $3.25 for process only. Given the choice again I would shoot TMAX 3200, but you never know a film until you try it. |
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Death of a Small Town
On Jan 31, 9:55*pm, wrote:
On Jan 30, 8:58*pm, JimKramer wrote: These are from this past summer, an entire roll of Delta 3200 in a small town near dusk. Death of a Small Town (An Evening With A Roll of Delta 3200)http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/LT/SmallTown1.htm The good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd... I was really into the grainy film years ago. *It gave a dramatic, bleak, cold effect to the street photography I was doing. *It brought out the emotion and feeling of what the person was enduring. I agree that a slower film speed gives a cleaner and sharper image, but in some cases when you need to show the severity of pain a person is enduring in their life, or in this case the death of a small town, that grainy look just adds to what you're trying to say. Some great documentary images there Jim! Helen Thanks Helen, Jim (Agony) Kramer :-) |
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